Well said.
We are the Knights who saaaaay...Ni!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Whittington" <gary...@cableone.net>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] my frustration with the blind gaming comunity.


Yawn!

A gamer is a person who plays a game.
Not a person trying to figure out how to play the game.
Sounds like, training monkeys.
You hear a sound you respond, run, leap, shot. or if you don't you die.
Sounds like a lot of fun.

While I had site and played VG even in 3D.
The point is gaming companies don't tend to make VG games accessible for the blind.
So why even support a media that don't give a crap.
Why go to a web site that makes you struggle. Instead you would just find a accessible web site with the same context. The inaccessible web page may be pretty and have great sounds, but why, spend time to do something that you would lined to make notes or try to remember what needs to be done. While a accessible web page you can figure out quickly and don what you want in a snap.
Same thing with a game. Games should be fun not work to get a little fun.

And that's what this list is all about.
Finding and creating blind games that are blind friendly.
As for myself, coding with Jaws scripts for sport computer sum games.
I enjoy the challenge of making baseball, football, basketball and hockey games blind friendly and friendly with each new idea I find to do so.
And this improves my playability.  Which sums the whole thing up.

Putting down the blind gaming community for not responding to what you feel is above every one else is a little snobbish. Having to answer over and over and getting upset about it, well, do something.
Like, post F/Q on a web page to link to or face book it.
Then you can simply post in email the links.

So, let's not bore the list with why we all suck and you don't cause we play VG.

Like me, I have a small with sports sum in the blind game community niche.
But I don't, cry on the list why is not more interested in what I like.
This does only dishonors your work on trying to build an interested in VG.
Just don't take it to heart and be dishearten.
Use the email list group a as a social network to get the word out.
Even in a newsletter kind of of a way.

Now that would be something I would check out on the list.
When it has some formation like a new letter, instead of just posting quick quips or sound clips.
All I am saying is try thinking out of the box more.
Even my Pools and fantasy leagues, started out small. And able to make them grow, I had to have some patience. And what I discovered over time is that what is a lot of fun to some one, is not going to be not fun at all to others. And this is where you want to be focused on. Those who are having fun are thus who are having a great time!!!! I had created, what I thought was the best NFL Pool not only for the blind community but any NFL pool out there on the web.
In 2011 I plan on skimming down a bit for the NCAA Brackets and NFL pool.
Which is a tool to bring aboard newbie's for the first time, to build up the pools more.

In conclusion, its great to have passion for something, but don't expect everyone else to have the same excitement.
The blind gamers list is just that.  A email for the blind and games.
Smiles, that is a lot of lead way there for a lot of stuff and VG is just part of the whole not the universe.

That's all  folks, back to hitting my delete key.  I'll shut the hell up.
But really Ho hum....
And for those who create accessible games and those making main stream games blind friendly.
From me and all those who have a great time playing them a
big thanks to you for the passion for working so hard to give to the blind community a chance to play games just for the blind in one form or another.

Crash
----- Original Message ----- From: "Yohandy" <yohand...@gmail.com>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 11:12 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] my frustration with the blind gaming comunity.


Hey guys,
Ok I'm gonna go ahead and say it. I find myself getting extremely frustrated with the blind gaming community. Why you ask? ok here goes. I'm sure you guys have noticed I've been putting up some rock band samples up. you've also noticed Clement has been putting up some street fighter IV samples and various other samples. So why is it that when we ask for feedback or comments on these samples we work hard to create, people simply either ignore us completely, or the same 3 or 4 people are the ones to always respond? well you know what I think the reason for that is? simply that the games we post about are mainstream games, not audio games. I've noticed that when a new audio game comes out, even if it's the most simplistic game in existence, everyone's all jumping to download it immediately and there are threads that span hundreds of messages on the subject. But when we post something having to do with console games, the thread dies in a matter of hours. I'm sure Clement has been feeling this frustration as well. it's been leaking through in his emails to the list even if he hasn't mentioned it outright. So my question is this: what must we do to get you guys interested in something other than topspeed 3, or any other audio game for that matter? don't you guys have that spark of curiosity to find out everything there is to find about video games? why is everyone ignoring these games outright? This community has hundreds of members, and only a very limited amount of people even talk about mainstream games. it's all audio games, audio games, and more audio games. there's so much more out there for you to find guys. how can you call yourself a gamer when you aren't even willing to download the files Clement and I put up to at least listen to what these games have to offer? Whenever I put up a rock band sample, I get like 4 or 5 downloads at most. however I rarely get any feedback. I think you guys are just shoving these files in your hard drives and don't even take a listen. if you do, then you have the curiosity of a robot. I don't know about Clement, but I'm not planning on putting anything else up. What's the point? no one seems to care what we have to say, or have any curiosity about console gaming. you guys just keep playing your audio games and keep your closed-minded mentality about game accessibility in general. If you think I'm taking things too far, consider this: remember when Clement and I had that little Street Fighter seminar? I finally thought that people finally had some interest in what we had to say and in the game and such. we got some really good questions, and over all had a really good time. but once that seminar ended, what do you think happened? That's right. absolutely nothing. people basically were like oh ok, that game had awesome sounds and music and such. ok back to playing some tank commander. at least, that's how I feel personally. it was fun as a spur of the moment thing. Now let me ask you this. how many of you, after listening to that seminar went over to gamestop and bought a copy of Street Fighter? or even go to a friend's house and try the game out? My guess is 0. ok rant over. I know this email is a mess lol, but it's just basically me writing down my ideas as they come to mind. take from it what you will. for those of us serious about gaming, we need to get together and figure where we should take it from here. Do we give up, or keep trying? I'm pretty tired of trying my self when everyone's resisting to be honest. Good day everyone.





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