we've certainly had a trol or two on audiogames.net, one even used the name Hal which was a litle unfair ;D.

so what che said earlier does apply as well,as does what dentin mentioned about alterean.

While both Jeremy and steven have mentioned good points about the vi gaming community, we're by no means all perefect by any stretch of the imagination.

Beware the grue!
Dark.
----- Original Message -
From: "Christopher Bartlett" <themusicalbre...@gmail.com>
To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A Sighted view on "Bridging the Gap".


Hello Steven, nice to meet you off the island.

The problem of trolls is not a matter of sight; we've had a few through here as well. I shouldn't worry too much about a sudden influx that would cause
any more problems than having a full multi-player game would in any case.

Chris Bartlett


-----Original Message-----
From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of dark
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 9:05 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] A Sighted view on "Bridging the Gap".

hi Steven.
well I will admit that my experience of graphical gaming on the net is zero,

and the indi games i've played have been download only.

communities there have been fine, and for anyone who plays brouser games
they'll know that while we get the idiots in games like alterean, core
exiles and sryth, i don't think anyone's tried to crash the server yet.

However I do wonder, if the situation were this dire, why people bother
creating new multiplayer games at all?

Certainly new ones come out regularly on retroremakes etc, if however they
were absolutely! likely to be trolled, hacked and genuinely harassed to
death you wonder why people would create them?

Maybe it'd be worth contacting the webmaster of retroremakes who has also to

my knolidge built several multiplayer games, and asking for both his opinion

and maybe some tips on avoiding the situaton if it's as inevitable as you
suggest.

Beware the grue!

Dark.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Strait" <crimsonr...@gmail.com>
To: <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 11:08 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] A Sighted view on "Bridging the Gap".


Hey there everyone, I'm Hatred, a friend of Aprone. I've been reading
through the posts about his latest game, Castaways, and I've noticed a
small
topic about Bridging the Gap between Sighted and Blind gamers. Figured I'd toss in my thoughts on the topic since I have a different perspective than
most of you do.

First up, I think that having Blind and Sighted gamers playing together,
either competitively or cooperatively, would be amazing and I fully
support
the idea. However, as a Sighted gamer, I've seen a lot of the bad things
that can come from it so I have to warn you that if it's done incorrectly,
you could end up having a lot more problems than you'd want. From what
I've
seen while browsing through the emails here and the forums at
Audiogames.net, the Blind gaming community is full of awesome people that
truly want to play new and inventive games. You guys seem eager to explore together, to build together, and to wage war together. That's awesome, and
as a gamer I love that. Heck, that's one of the reasons I've been pushing
Aprone to do more multiplayer games! I want to play with you guys too!
Unfortunately, there are  many Sighted gamers that don't feel the same.

The majority of Sighted gamers are, in essence, similar to Blind gamers.
They want to relax and enjoy the games they love with cool people.
However,
there are many that feel that they have the right to ruin the fun for
everyone. Hackers, Spammers, Trolls, and just regular old Idiots run
rampant
on many multiplayer games, set on causing havoc for the sake of their own
twisted fun. Aprone and I actually first met in a small game called Babo
Violent 2, a multiplayer shooter game. We played together, and eventually
became good friends. The game was fast, fun, and easy to pick up and play. However, it had little to no hack protection. I'll admit, I was one of the
Hackers that found a lot of the security holes and had some fun seeing
what
I could do with the game. However, I wasn't malicious about it. I simply
did
it on my own, away from other players so as not to ruin their fun.
Unfortunately, a large number of players thought differently. They ran
rampant, making themselves invincible, cheating in the game, harassing
other
players, and even crashing the servers if they were bored. At one time
players couldn't even get into a game because the servers were down
constantly. It's sad but true, some people truly enjoy causing other
people
grief.

Now, I'm not saying that you all should avoid having sighted players play
with you. By all means, I think that goal is great and you should pursue
it
full force. However, be aware that with it comes some pretty hefty
problems.
It will require developers to rethink how they code their games. They'll
have to take into consideration some form of anti-cheat programming, or
even
have a way for admins to remove cheaters from the game. It's definitely
doable but will require a lot more work to make it happen.

Anyways, my long rant is over. Lol! Keep gaming my friends!
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