Brad,

I did have a play but I have been distracted by other
work. What I did not find was the way to integrate the
just created custom graph definitions into the normal cluster and host
views.

I have some more time now - I would be happy to look at it again,
because that kind of functionality is something we need.

As an aside, one of reasons I have not yet pushed some of our
local stuff here back into ganglia is because we were brutal
with the PHP tree and did not keep our changes modular and
reversible.

And as for ganglia "improvements" not getting into the source tree,
I see a couple of problems as it stands now.
1) The current code administrators are doing other work, and
   anyway, they have been doing ganglia for ages - the drive to
   keep dicking around with it has gone.
2) Using patches during an evaluation or test phase?
   Not everyone is familiar with that, and not everyone has
   a test ganglia environment, and not everyone event wants
   to build, look and test. They just want to get the best good one.
   Even *I* don't want to dick around with patches.
3) Many have hacked ganglia and the php in lots of places, so patches
   may require some effort to get right. So they don't bother.
   Guess what? the people you really want feedback from are the
   ones who have a customised ganglia.
4) You have good features but a hacked ganglia? Untangling the patch
   for a single feature may be too fiddly for them to even bother.
   (this is my case).
5) Ganglia has branched. It is not used just Linux HPC. Some proposed
   changes may be of no interest to some, and maybe it would break
   something they do.

What do we do?
- For changes that affect the PHP only, we can test the modified ganglia
  very easily. We provide the change with its full PHP tree. We let
users
  know that they can drop this PHP tree right on their live
ganglia-server
  under a different directory, say "test". They can test using their
real
  clusters. No production impact. No thinking needed. No Risk.
- I have really wanted an internet accessible ganglia with my mods on it
  to enable an easy demo of the customisations with 0 effort. Maybe we
  should make one, and this becomes the new features demo site.

Phew.

regards,
Richard Grevis
Infrastructure Architecture
Barclays Capital.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Brad Nicholes
> Sent: 26 March 2007 16:20
> To: matt massie; Brad Nicholes
> Cc: ganglia-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Ganglia-developers] Adding extensibility to gmond...
> 
> 
> >>> On 3/1/2007 at 1:49 PM, in message 
> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Brad
> Nicholes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > All,
> >     I have just added an enhancement request to bugzilla (#129) for 
> > adding
> > modular metric extensibility to gmond.  I have also 
> attached a patch file and 
> > example module to the bug report that add this 
> functionality.  Hopefully you 
> > will find this enhancement useful and commit it to the ganglia SVN 
> > repository.  Let me know if you have any questions or 
> issues with the 
> > patches.
> > 
> > Brad
> > 
> 
> It's been several weeks since I submitted the patch to add 
> extensibility to gmond through metrics modules.  I haven't 
> seen much feedback nor have I seen the code committed to the 
> repository.  Has the community had a chance to review the 
> extensibility code?  I have also submitted other patches 
> through bugzilla which I haven't seen any feedback on either. 
>   I also have additional patches which I would like to see 
> committed to the repository that I believe will enhance the 
> functionality of Ganglia.  It would be much easier to submit 
> these new patches if the patches that I have already proposed 
> could be committed.  I would be happy to commit the patches 
> myself if I were given commit rights.
> 
> thanks,
> Brad
> 
> 
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