I am "arnuld". i wish i could start to contribute here but that will take 1-2 months as i do not have any money to take an internet connection at home. anyway, you will see me soon contributing.
> 2. Most Lisp stuff is already managed; if you want to work to improve > McCLIM or some other (active) project there's a good chance that a > mailing list exists for it elsewhere so we don't see that traffic here > -- this gives perhaps more of an impression of apathy than is fair. > Many Lisp tools (either the compilers themselves, such as SBCL or > OpenMCL, or a sizable library) have an active group or individual > maintaining them who are too responsive to bug reports etc. (i.e. once > a bug is noticed and reported there's a reasonable chance the > maintainers will have it fixed PDQ) you are right > Maybe the time is not quite here for the Gardeners to take off; I'm > sure the time is coming if not The idea of *gardeners* is really a good one, i mean in both ways: *technically* & *socially* & i say this from experience. i have spent around 1.5 years into this community, no not in Common Lisp, i mean in the community of Hackers. i learnt many things from them. i was a "salesman", selling personal loans, i also sold water-purifiers etc. etc. that gave me a new insight into human-race. i will share that with you. i have got some sense of where "things" are moving. things are not moving into the direction of Common Lisp. Rather, things are moving into the direction of making of high-quality software & reducing the costs which eventually leads to Common Lisp (CL). CL is already onto the road, years ahead like a scientist visions the future. as i said, corporate giants will move from what they have now to acquire better tools, better programmers to solve technical problems they are facing. within next 5-7 years CL will make into the top 6 languages used by companies. Java will be doomed nearly by 2010. C++ has a long time to go even if it dates back to 1989, it will be here with CL. we do not need to look into the future to see what will happen, rather we can learn from history & see what we can cut. if you look at the history of Computers, OS & PLs (programming languages), you will see after every 1 or 2 decades change came along & people modified their *thinking* according to the new technology. this decade will bring Common Lisp implicitly & technical problems & tensions on corporate's part explicitly. most of you folks never saw me, but i am coming along. An average programmer is coming along, with a strong desire & belief. > A Lisp distribution that comes with a bunch of standard > libraries -- regular expressions, databases, web stuff, test frameworks > etc. -- all guaranteed to work together correctly could make Lisp a > "batteries included" language like Perl, Python, or Ruby. yes, i always wanted this to happen as a user of CL. you are right, Stuart, we need it, to put CL on top. i am ready to contribute to it but as i told you i do not have any money to take an internet connection at home, so i have to wait for 1-2 months to do so. until then good bye thanks for your time "arnuld" -- "the great intellectuals" _______________________________________________ Gardeners mailing list [email protected] http://www.lispniks.com/mailman/listinfo/gardeners
