Larry, You seem to have some issues that I don't think I can resolve. The people at ubuntu may be able to help you.
-Joseph ============================================================================== On Sun, 2006-01-22 at 09:28 -0800, Larry Miller wrote: > On Jan 22, 2006, at 6:26 AM, Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D. wrote: > > > Larry, > > > > I am puzzled by your remarks. > > How did you get a Ph.D.? > > > GARNOME has been successfully built and > > installed on a number of different hardware and software platforms. > > Not mine. > > > As > > stated in the README, GARNOME is "bleeding edge". If you work on the > > bleeding edge you can get cut. > > Except that "The Official Gnome 2 Developer's Guide" advertises it as > "the easy way to get the Gnome development environment". > > > >> From my experiences, I can tell you that a build environment like > > GARNOME is a hacker's framework. > > Precisely. So it is not reasonable to take it "seriously" like a > commercial framework like Windows or OSX. > > > It is not a C.O.T. package. Since > > GNOME is rapidly evolving [sometimes hourly], it is implicitly assumed > > that you have developer skills if you wish to build the latest > > environment. > > I only have 40 years' experience with computer software development. > Probably not enough. In any case, other OS's see fit to have a stable > model available, which I think you would agree is essential to having > a package like GARNOME run unattended (which is how it is presented > in the "Official Gnome 2 Developer's Guide"). > > > For reference, GNOME uses even version numbers for stable releases and > > odd version numbers for unstable releases. So 2.12.x is stable and > > 2.13.5 is not [and I do mean *not*]. > > > > If you are looking for a stable replacement for the 2.10.0 that ships > > with ubuntu, > > 2.12.2 is the current ubuntu version. But ubuntu does not ship with a > programming environment. So I turned to GARNOME as advised by the > book, which was a mistake. > > > build the GARNOME 2.12.x release. The gnome-2.12 branch of > > GARNOME CVS is current. > > 2.12.x is the one where I had all of the crashes. I HAD all of the > dependencies; none of the fatal errors were related to those. The > problem is that GARNOME fetched files that had been changed since the > GARNOME build shortly before. "Stable" in Linuxland is something of a > joke. In fact, you bozos brag about how often you change things. > Can't you get it right? > > > GARNOME has an IRC channel > > > > irc://irc.gnome.org:6667/garnome > > > > that is actively monitored by the GARNOME developers. You may find it > > helpful. > > As I said, in the end I was able to get my development environment up > without GARNOME. But since textbooks are being written that reference > GARNOME, supposedly for people that have the skill levels for > something like Visual C++ or the OSX developer package, you might > want to set your success threshold a bit higher in terms of actually > having your package work. > > I doubt that you will. > > > > > > -Joseph > > > > ====================================================================== > > ========= > > On Sun, 2006-01-22 at 01:54 -0800, Larry Miller wrote: > >> Is it REALLY fixed? Will it work on some machine *other than your > >> own*? > >> > >> I have yet to have any Garnome tarball execute without a bunch of > >> errors. > >> > >> I got all of the dependencies and followed the instructions TO THE > >> LETTER. > >> > >> Environment: Mac Mini, Ubuntu 5.10, installed as user "garnome" > >> > >> With some source patching and other fiddling I was able to get the > >> Desktop to compile and run, but there were many other packages where > >> I had no idea what to do to remedy fatal errors. > >> > >> I did get the GTK+/Glade suite up on my own (which is what I was > >> after in the first place, so I can build Gnome/GTK GUI applications. > >> I just went through the whole GTK dependency tree and got > >> *everything* I found mentioned. Miraculously, it seems to work. > >> > >> I don't know how you expect Linux to "take over the world" when > >> practically every package has dependency hell. Can't you get the > >> various groups to make up a GARNOME version and -just-leave-it- > >> alone???? Your package seems to be out-of-date within minutes of your > >> proud announcements. > >> > >> Great idea. If it only worked. > >> > >> L. D. Miller > > -- > > joseph_sacco [at] comcast [dot] net -- joseph_sacco [at] comcast [dot] net -- garnome-list mailing list [email protected] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/garnome-list
