Dear Jan

Very interesting!!

What steam temperature and pressure is required to gasify wood?

Once one has such gas, what sort processing is required to convert it to CH4? 
(That is, what temperatures, pressures, catalysts, etc)

Is there any way this can be done on a small scale?

Is there any way this process can be modified to produce methanol on a small 
scale? If so, this would be awesome... it would then yield a very portable 
liquid fuel.

Thanks!

Kevin
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  From: Jan Kopyscinski 
  To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 11:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [Gasification] back to gasification



  Hi,

  First of all, there are at least two different types of biofuel:
  First Generation:  agricultural feedstock, which is converted by means of 
biochemical processes (i.e., digestion) --> Biogas
  Second Generation: woody biomass that is converted via thermochemical 
converiosn into a producer or so-calles syngas (Gasification).
  Thus, if your goal is to produce Methan or Natural Gas substite for a gas 
engine or transportation fuel you have different options. But you need to know 
what is your feedstock (dry , wet, digestable or not digestable such as wood):
  If you have a rather dry feedstock you can go for steam gasifiaction (no air, 
means no Nitrogen). The produced syngas you can catalytilcally convert to CH4, 
CO2 and H2O. Prior to the methanation process you need to remove the sulphur 
since it is deactivating your catalyts. H2O and CO2 can then be removed. This 
process has been investiaget by the Paul Scherrer Institiute in Switzerland 
(www.psi.ch and www.bio-sng.com).
  Removal of nitrogen is too expensive, thus you should avoid feeding it into 
your process. 2 vol% to max 5vol% N2 in the methan rich gas is acceptable.

  Regards,

  Jan



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    Von: "Pannirselvam P.V" <[email protected]>
    Gesendet: May 31, 2011 12:46:54 PM
    An: "Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification" 
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    Betreff: Re: [Gasification] back to gasification

    Dear A.D Karve 

          One of the project we have been studying  is based on the  
IGT,Instuite  Gas technology patented process  called Biotherm , in which the  
wood  gas or syngqs  can be passed into the biodigestor, in which  CO and  
Hydrogen can  be converted into  methane ; the  NOX .COX, SOX removed via 
simple  known wet or  dry process using activated charcoal and  lime ; the 
methane is then compressed.The N  can be removed  as ammonia,as this can be 
very toxic to bio methane bacteria; Syngas obtained via pyrogas can reduce this 
N2 problem and complexity.Thus pyrogas technology  has more potential than  
wood gas technology

      we are studying how to make this complex process into simple innovative 
process to  make possible charcoal and  methane economy which is practiced  in 
the developed country  in big scale  can be  made possible in developing 
village level technology too in small scale ,The project is yet in design stage 
to reduce CO2 to use as liquid  fertilizer too increasing the calorific valued 
the compressed biogas.

    Yours truely
    Pannirselvam




    On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Anand Karve <[email protected]> wrote:

      Dear List,
      We are already using, in India, wood gas made from agricultural waste
      to run stationary internal combustion engines. But, for using it as
      automobile fuel, it would have to be filled into cylinders, for which
      the nitrogen in the wood gas would have to be removed in order to
      reduce its bulk and to increase its calorfiic value. Does anybody have
      a suggestion as to how this can be achieved?
      Yours
      A.D.Karve

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