Dear Anand My impression is that bacteria adjust to conditions: If you build it, they will come.
Yes or no? Tom Reed Dr Thomas B Reed President, The Biomass Energy Foundation www.Woodgas.com On Jul 20, 2011, at 3:06 PM, phillip manske <[email protected]> wrote: > This is my bacteria. There are many like it, but this one is mine. > My bacteria is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I > must master my life. > My bacteria, without me, is useless. Without my bacteria, I am > useless. I must fire my bacteria true. I must shoot straighter than my > enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. > I will... > My bacteria and myself know that what counts in this war is not the > rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know > that it is the hits that count. We will hit... > My bacteria is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will > learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its > parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will ever guard > it against the ravages of weather and damage as I will ever guard my > legs, my arms, my eyes and my heart against damage. I will keep my > bacteria clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We > will... > Before God, I swear this creed. My bacteria and myself are the > defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the > saviors of my life. > So be it, until victory is America's and there is no enemy, but peace! > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> This pathway should be the most simple so its likely a good place to >> start. I'm not certain what to do first. I liked shopping for >> reactors and why not? Shopping is fun. I was unaware there are large >> (1000 gal) glass lined reactors. >> >> Where to start? In my clumsy manner I say get a microscope and then >> the strain ($250 from ATC) >> >> Look at the freeze dried 'crobes under the scope. Should see shoe >> leather plus the "meat" packing that comes with the strain. >> Re animate using only distilled water and examine under scope >> Re animate and add nutrients and look under scope >> See how long that batch lasts >> >> Re animate using nutrients plus extra feed like fructose or yeast extract >> This should be enough to keep the culture alive for a regular >> lifetime of the 'crobes. >> >> PV, is this close? Are my techniques sound? >> >> My technique is a combination practical effort plus me releaning lab >> techniques. >> >> I'm not clear on how to do census. You are supposed to sample from >> the quadrants and the center. Anaerobes are supposed to collect away >> from O2 and that means the bottom of the vessel. >> >> I don't know how long that nutrient will last. The CO and CO2 feed is >> like making the 'crobes live on bananas. Bananas are healthy but its >> not nutritious enough for life, hence the vitamin pill like nutrients >> that are necessary. The calories come from the gases, the vitamins >> come from the nutrients. >> >> >> I wanted to hire someone to do this because I'm just gonna bash around >> int he early stages and then likely later on too. Maybe i can get by >> with a consult. >> >> I can't do mcuh until I get my libary card, there is mcuh more >> material to read than what I have collected so far. >> >> Phillip >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Pannirselvam P.V <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> Dea Dr T.Reed and Philip >>> The CO2 and CO from producer gas can provide acetate, thus , >>> there is no need for carbohyrates , this low quality producer gas can be >>> upgraded. The system is more solid gas tricking filter bio reactor . >>> Dr Thomas is correct that the mixed bacteria systems can , at room >>> temperature solid liquid slurry in know biodigster system the reaction >>> he wrote , but let input of CH2O , more CO and CO2 , via adoptation need >>> to be done for gas solid biodigestors >>> >>> Unlike conventional bio digestor, there is a need to make >>> the correct mixed bacteria that can make acetate (acids) from gas , then >>> methane is synthesised by hydrogen bacteria via CO water shift to >>> hydrogen, which readily combine with CO to make methane , as well as >>> CO2.( At atm pressure , low temperature ), wher as very high temp used to >>> make co shift via thermoconversion system >>> The problems with this new system , unlike conventional biodidestor, is >>> the bacter cell growth and viability without carbohydrate (CH20) , >>> unlike the system which Dr.Reed has correctly wrotefor the biogas >>> production where ther is also parelel auto catalytics bacteria >>> reproducation .Philip Manske here in his recent post has reported thatv the >>> CO make bacterial cell gorwth and viabilit possible .This is very >>> positive good results .Biodigestor bacterial catatyst has the problem >>> of useful active life time ,The biocatalysts , microbes ,do not have >>> unlimited life time of activity .Need to be replaced .This is considered to >>> be negative point , but can be managed, with economic loss too >>> Instead of separating and upgrading SNG obtained from low quality >>> producer gas via bioprocessos , the direct use of this for charcoal >>> gasification can give biochar and high quality syngas for metanol or >>> ethanol via bio or thermoconversion . >>> Thus small biorefineray of coupled biotherm process , origionally >>> patended by IGT, USA can be adopted and make posible for CHP energy >>> production and methanol Co production as small grid based biorefinery. >>> >>> Dr Reed , can be consider as origional thinker and father who had long >>> time vision of sustainable syngas, methanol frrom biomass and bioenergy >>> power .His long time dream can be reality as compared to biomass ethanol >>> projects sustainabilty of several waste biomass residues upgrading into >>> biopower .As the gasoline , ethanol ,methanol can be well mixed , can go >>> well more sustainable transportation fuel ate present and future >>> For the same yet proven technology are needed , Integrated However >>> the Biotherm process ,CHP and methanol are complex system ,need good >>> system design and engineering work from diversified experts, but not as >>> such as big petro refinery projects >>> Our lists do have this diversity , dynamic members , thus make possible to >>> compare known technology , innovate new one do , get help from experts from >>> this list made posible by TOM >>> Some off topics are good , but need not exceed the main topics too >>> Your sincerely >>> Panirselvam P.V >>> Brazil >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Thomas Reed <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Phillip >>>> >>>> The power generation sounds interesting. >>>> >>>> What is the feed sock for the digester? Carbohydrates? >>>> >>>> 2 CH2O ===> CH4 + H2O. >>>> >>>> A dr, carve in India has built a small digestor that produces all the >>>> methane needed to cook the meals. >>>> >>>> I suppose a larger digester could supply the electric power too. >>>> >>>> Keep talking... >>>> >>>> Tom Reed >>>> >>>> Dr Thomas B Reed >>>> President, The Biomass Energy Foundation >>>> www.Woodgas.com >>>> >>>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 12:03 PM, phillip manske <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Tom, >>>>> >>>>> Its good to hear from you. I taught ESL in Korea for six years and >>>>> instead of coming back to the US directly, I went to Kiev and stayed >>>>> in East Europe for year. I went to Moldova, Poland and Romania too. >>>>> I lived on the money I saved while in Korea and my Fed government >>>>> pension. I was poor there and I didn't do much but work on a website >>>>> that was inspired by my Fed time. I made a large Freedom of >>>>> Information Act program and I did most of the work in cafe's with free >>>>> WiFi. >>>>> >>>>> Melitopol is in the Russian half of Ukraine, I generally like the >>>>> Ukies better than the Russians but I think the women are more >>>>> attractive. I've been to Melitopol twice already. No one visits >>>>> Melitopol, its kind of a hole. Anna is an ethnic Russian living in >>>>> Ukraine. >>>>> >>>>> http://khersongirls.com - that is the agency I recommend. Consider >>>>> all of the others as scams. I've met the owner and I've been to the >>>>> office many times. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you want to get involved with my "Gold" project you are welcome. >>>>> Its gonna take some money but not much. My investor advisor says to >>>>> make the lab reactor and then the GEK scale reactor. I think the lab >>>>> reactor will look like this... >>>>> >>>>> http://www.chemglass.com/product_view.asp?pnr=CLS-1404 >>>>> >>>>> I don't want to appear as a Johnny come lately into biofuels but it >>>>> kind of looks that way. I was an electrican in the navy a long time >>>>> ago and I said I'd return to power generation if the things were >>>>> right. The concept is complicated, the practice is easy. Once the >>>>> gens run, there is no work to do. You just need to check the engines >>>>> twice a day and that takes 20 minutes max each time. You really have >>>>> the whole day off for the next fifteen years if you get a contract. >>>>> >>>>> That's whats up. >>>>> >>>>> Phillip >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 7:31 AM, Thomas Reed <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> So, do you have an office in Melitopol? Looks like it's close to the >>>>>> black sea. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom >>>>>> >>>>>> Dr Thomas B Reed >>>>>> President, The Biomass Energy Foundation >>>>>> www.Woodgas.com >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 18, 2011, at 10:25 PM, phillip manske <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Dr. Reed, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the concern. I had to pay bills for two months and then I >>>>>>> needed some cash so I can go marriage agency dates in Ukraine. I >>>>>>> lived in Ukraine for a year so I kinda know whats up. I found a woman >>>>>>> there that likes me. She looks like Meagan Fox but she has larger >>>>>>> breasts. She sells cosmetics and lives in Melitopol. I work next to >>>>>>> a corporate lake and the lake is feed by storm run off. The lake has >>>>>>> some good wildlife and I have taken to turtle rescue when the chelons >>>>>>> get stuck in the drainage pipes. I got ten already. I have a snapper >>>>>>> hatchling and hand sized softshell on a shelf by my desk. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's pretty cool Phil but it has nothing to with biomass. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't talk about gasifiers here because I don't know Jack. >>>>>>> Sometimes you just need to shut up and listen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yea so I decided I should read about the matter. >>>>>>> This book is great. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/Transportation-Biofuels-Production-Biodiesel-Chemistry/dp/1849730431 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I got an eCopy if you want to see the relevant material. The methane >>>>>>> part looks way doable and in fact I'm slowly working on that. I found >>>>>>> sciencedirect.com which has a great index and all of the papers on the >>>>>>> matter are availalbe for free at the uni library but I don't have my >>>>>>> Indiana drives lic/ID yet so its another two weeks. The papers come >>>>>>> to $4500 if I have to pay. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wrote an executive summary for someone at GoBig and I after I sent >>>>>>> that off they asked for an executive summary and asked a few other >>>>>>> questions. I made a good post at GEK and I got ass kissy with Mr. >>>>>>> Mason trying to amend my earlier offences. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Whats up with you Tom? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Warmest Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Phillip >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Phillip Manske >>>>>>> 195 w Puetz Rd h-114 >>>>>>> Oak Creek WI, 53154 >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alchemy Fuels Executive Summary >>>>>>> Saturday, July 16, 2011 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Energy Policy Act of 2005 has mandated that investor owned >>>>>>> utilities must provide a certain amount of the energy they provide >>>>>>> must be sourced from renewable sources. This amount has been >>>>>>> regulated to grow both now and in the future. To date, wind and solar >>>>>>> sources have been providing most of this energy while biomass sourced >>>>>>> energy has lagged. Utilities have been rejecting new applications for >>>>>>> wind and solar energies while courting biomass providers as many slots >>>>>>> are still open. Alchemy has determined a course to make low cost >>>>>>> biofuel to fulfill these requirements is a realistic and profitable >>>>>>> goal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After reviewing scientific literature on the matter I, (working as >>>>>>> Alchemy Fuels) have decided that a two stage reactor designed to make >>>>>>> methane is the most efficient route to a biofuel called “biogas”. >>>>>>> This method was developed early in the biofuels research efforts and >>>>>>> then abandoned in favor of ethanol and other more lucrative >>>>>>> transportation fuels. Methane is a well founded and well functioning >>>>>>> fuel for generators designed to work with natural gas. This process >>>>>>> is well reviewed and appreciated by the scientific community for its >>>>>>> ease use and lack of exotic requirements. It can be described as a >>>>>>> methane digester without the required tons of manure feedstock. The >>>>>>> research was pioneered by a scientist named Gaddy who founded a >>>>>>> company called BRI. The process is referred as the microbial catalyst >>>>>>> cellulosic fuel pathway. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The process uses the output from gasifiers that use wood mass as a >>>>>>> feedstock. A handful of gases are provided by the gasifier with the >>>>>>> most important being carbon monoxide and the lesser gases being >>>>>>> hydrogen, carbon dioxide and methane. All of the gasses are used in >>>>>>> the process. The first stage of the process uses a bacteria called p. >>>>>>> productus that uses the CO for growth and CO2 for the production of >>>>>>> acetate which is the feedstock for the second and final stage where a >>>>>>> bacteria called m. barkeri uses the acetate and hydrogen to make >>>>>>> methane. Methane, unlike ethanol , does not need distilling which >>>>>>> saves considerable effort, energy and money. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The market for the gas or gas use comes from the aforementioned lack >>>>>>> of biomass energy providers. Contract length is from 10 – 20 years, >>>>>>> amount of sale is typically 800 kilo watts per hour and the >>>>>>> compensation is from $.10 - $.15 per Kw hour. Providers are >>>>>>> typically allowed to provide 24 hours a day. Demand may vary but >>>>>>> demand is typically strong. Biogas contracts are generally designed >>>>>>> for methane digesters but this type of process meets the legal >>>>>>> definition of biogas even without the $1 million digester. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is a niche market but it can provide excellent returns and a >>>>>>> number of contracts can be signed simultaneously. Sales are assured, >>>>>>> no distribution network is required. Plants like this operate at a >>>>>>> technician level and not an engineer or scientist level. There are >>>>>>> few critical points that may induce failure. The required insurance >>>>>>> is difficult to get but I have found a provider and at least one work >>>>>>> around method. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Plants should be located near the biomass source to save money on >>>>>>> transportation and when the gas is made, it can be shipped at much >>>>>>> less expense to the generating facilities . The plants will be >>>>>>> filled with wood biomass, gasifiers and vats that look like >>>>>>> microbrewery vats. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Being averse to large expenditures, I recommend a modest approach to >>>>>>> first make a five gallon reactor using bottled gas, then a system >>>>>>> using a small gasifier and then finally a system scaled to produce >>>>>>> fuel at the rate to meet the 800 kwh limit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The described process above is worth study and investment. The >>>>>>> science is sound, the investment and risk is small, operating overhead >>>>>>> is very low and sales are guaranteed. It appears margins should be >>>>>>> very wide unlike typical margins that are available to investors. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Questions may be directed to me at the email address above. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Phillip Manske >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Thomas Reed <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Phil >>>>>>>> I haven't heard your name for.a decade or so. 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