Hi Mark, Kevin, Doug & list

I don't claim to understand the chemistry, only that observations don't always match expectations. This is why I would like to see others more qualified than myself do the char analysis and research.

In some cases however with a little more information and the benefit of hindsight this can be partly explained. In regard assumptions, firstly you need to be careful that all the fine ash is in fact being caught with and included in the main char and not elsewhere in the system such as the cyclones. During our recent pilot trial we were presented with firstly fresh eucalyptus wood chips (35-40% mc) then a load of fine planer shavings from a nearby dry mill (8%mc). Using a initial mix of (by volume) of 1:1 of this fine material with the wood chips we collected 12 litres of carbon/mineral dust in <4 hours, noticing this only when the fan started to growl and surge because the cyclones were allowing this material to bypass as their collectors were full, and it began to build up in other parts of the system before letting go in lumps, giving the fan indigestion.

Something worth looking at when we start up again in the new year is to see if the PH of the cyclone dust is similar to the char bin.

The main problem though with the original assumption is that the ash does not concentrate inside the remaining charcoal fraction beyond the effective % change from mass reduction through initial loss of moisture and lighter volatiles. The woody particles first lose their volatile fraction and then ablate as the outer carbon surface is oxidised, becoming smaller to the point of passing through the grate, the inorganic ash freed as the outer layers of the particle oxidise forms a separate very fine particulate with different characteristics and mineral concentration to adjoining char particles and is easily sieved out of the charcoal fraction.

It is the larger (>3mm) screened material we mainly use as biochar, so not all the inorganic ash is contained or therefore being measured as part of this material. So from feed stocks with the same original ash content char with seemingly different characteristics can be collected, quite independent of process yield.

In contrast as Doug rightly pointed out Pyrolysis chars tend to retain all the original ash content, however as not all of inorganic ash is kept within the gasifier char the result as you can see from above is counter intuitive to the original assumption (as we are not looking at a closed system as the assumption requires)...and certainly offsets the yield difference.

Doug has relayed as reported to him by others the suggestion that some of this fine mineral ash generated embeds within the pores of the charcoal. I have not seen this with our system, even looking at the chars under a powerful lab microscope. Though when operating in fixed bed mode they can get a light external coating. This does not necessarily mean this is always the case but I can't readily imagine a mechanism for this to occur to any great degree as the char within the pyrolysis/gasification/reduction zones would be experiencing varying degrees of outgassing, so these pores as they occur would be under positive internal pressure resisting plugging for most of their gasification experience.

Now with pyrolysis chars, particularly at lower process temperatures, this outgassing will be patchy and incomplete and the retention of some new thermo-chemically transformed fractions can alter the characteristics of the char. A good proportion of the resulting carbon as a result is labile, that is easily mobilised in the environment quite apart from normal soil chemical reactions, particularly through the actions of bacteria and other soil organisms.

Remember wildfires naturally generate a wide range of chars, and ecosystems have evolved to utilise these, however rarely are chars naturally produced in large volumes that are all uniform in their characteristics, when we add volumes of crushed uniform biochar which has a large labile fraction to a soil we may well be introducing monoculture effects at the micro level! This can consume soil nitrogen as part of this process, and together with other soil biota and chemical changes can have initially a detrimental effect on productivity, as recorded in a number of studies. It also makes the higher "yield" of pyrolysis chars a bit illusory.

The problem is "biochar" can be blamed for such poor results as a generalisation, when in fact it may well have been the process used for making the char and how it is applied that led to the sub optimal result, not strictly the addition of thermally treated organic carbon.

So I agree with Doug, not all chars are created equal and more work remains to be done. Perhaps even as our steel research experience indicated, that blended chars may give optimum results. Which brings me back to my original concern with the research bias against gasifier chars we have experienced.

When this is fully overcome, then we might all move another step forward.

Best wishes to all,
Peter & Kerry Davies





On 29/12/2012 7:00 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Dear Peter

"Observations trump intuitive beliefs.":-)

# Assuming that it is the "alkaline ash" that drives the pH of
biochar, then intuitively, a "gasifier char" with lower yield, and
consequently higher residual ash content, should yield a higher pH in
a biochar application. Equally, one could intuitively reason that with
a pyrolysis char, containing more tars, the tars would "coat the ash
and hid the ash activity", also giving a lower pH for chars with
higher weight based yields.

# Your actual observations suggest different mechanisms at play. Is it
possible that there are organic compounds produced in pyrolysis char
making that are strongly alkaline in nature, and that they are absent
in gasifier char that was produced at higher temperature?

Best wishes,

Kevin



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