Dear Tom and list: Governing is important and part of this can be to use an adjustable air/fuel mixture control. As to my question as to what to do with char, the point was that char as fixed carbon represents a significant amount of the heating value of the feedstock and not gasifying it which requires higher temperature than pyrolysis that produces char, means that the system's efficiency is much lower than if it were gasified. Not converting char has significant reduction in thermal efficiency. Technically, it isn't a gasifier if the carbon conversion Sincerely, Leland T. "Tom" Taylor Thermogenics Inc.
-----Original Message----- From: Greg Manning <[email protected]> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 5:41 pm Subject: Re: [Gasification] Mini Grid Load Following With a Biomass Gasifier Hi Tom, (And List) The work I've done involves much of what is in this thread. First off, the governor is more important that the gasifier's ability to perform. Myself, I'm using the Woodward "L series " programmable units, they are "all in one" and can be configured for just about anything you can throw at it, even droop, and ramp up. Because they (Woodward) use a HAL effect sensor on the teeth of the flywheel, the regulation can be set "tight" or "loose" (as needed by the local utility) The L series meets all the spec's to conform to IEEE power transmission standards of the North American Grid, be it Local or Interstate, interconnection. http://www.woodward.com/EngineThrottleValves.aspx?terms=l%20series Greg Manning http://www.cangas.ca On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Tom Miles <[email protected]> wrote: Tom, Burn it or bury it. Burn it to recover the energy as direct heat. Bury it in compost, blend it, or direct use. I think the Proton model is based on recovering the char. You’ll have to ask them directly. Tom From: Gasification [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 6:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Gasification] Mini Grid Load Following With a Biomass Gasifier Re: Proton Power: What do you do with the bio-char? I do not want to hear of it's use in agriculture as an economic solution as it has spotty performance, limited market radius and a marketing cost. Sincerely, Leland T. "Tom" Taylor Thermogenics Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Miles <[email protected]> To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification' <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jul 9, 2013 10:40 am Subject: Re: [Gasification] Mini Grid Load Following With a Biomass Gasifier Spanner Re2. Contact Thomas Bleul http://www.holz-kraft.de/de/?option=com_content&view=article&id=105&Itemid=2 7&lang=en There is a map of their reference plants on their site. http://www.holz-kraft.de/en/applications/reference-list http://donar.messe.de/exhibitor/ligna/2013/R281924/presse-kit-spanner-re-eng -256367.pdf The company makes automotive equipment and moved into renewable energy and wood heating appliances a few years ago. For Proton the first commercial unit is being commissioned a the Wamplers Sausage site linked on their site. I think that they have run a 110 kWe pilot unit at U Tennessee for a couple of years. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Gasification [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thomas Koch Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 9:10 AM To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification Subject: Re: [Gasification] Mini Grid Load Following With a Biomass Gasifier Tom I have never heard about the spanner gasifier - do you have a reference? The proton system have a lot of very promising claims - where can it be seen in reality? Thomas -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: Gasification [mailto:[email protected]] På vegne af Tom Miles Sendt: 9. juli 2013 18:00 Til: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification' Emne: Re: [Gasification] Mini Grid Load Following With a Biomass Gasifier Spanner 45 kWe http://spanner-joos-vergaser.de/joomla/ This is intended for base load >80% of capacity. Reportedly 150 in operation. 6,000-8,000 hours of operation per year in several units. Proton Power 250-500 kWe http://www.protonpower.com/ First commercial installation http://www.protonpower.com/2012/07/24/wamplers-farm-sausage-chyp-system-pion eers/ -----Original Message----- From: Gasification [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thomas Koch Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 8:33 AM To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification Subject: Re: [Gasification] Mini Grid Load Following With a Biomass Gasifier Do you have any references to this gasifier? - and web page? _______________________________________________ Gasification mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address [email protected] to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenerg ylists.org for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ _______________________________________________ Gasification mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address [email protected] to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenerg ylists.org for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ _______________________________________________ Gasification mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address [email protected] to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ _______________________________________________ Gasification mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address [email protected] to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ _______________________________________________ Gasification mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address [email protected] to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/
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