Dear Fredrik

This is a puzzling project, in that there seem to be a number of loose ends that don't seem to make sense.

The first problem we encounter when attempting to understand the technical features of the Project is that the Project Team does not want us to understand the technical features of the Project. Without "true facts, we on "the outside" are only able to make speculative and intuitive comments.

What we seem to know about the Project and Process is that:
1: More energy is coming out of,  than is going into the process.
2: Electric energy sells for about 1/2 as much as Heat energy.

These points alone suggest that the project is not operating on a level playing field. Government Policies may be contributing to a distortion of reality.

Kevin

Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Gasification] HKG BIONEAR http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=ZKbYDF9Hp0o&feature=player_embedded



Hi Tom and list,



The Bionear gasifier is very interesting, but it is difficult to get a

grip on it. The man in the video is the inventor himself, Timo Heimonen. I

have met him several times and also seen several of his systems in

operation during the last few years.



The gasifier in the video is located in Lestijärvi, Finland where it

primarily serves a district heating system. The turbine has earlier served

as a diesel powered emergency power station at bank of Finland and has been

modified for use on producer gas.



On the same site in Lestijärvi where Turos teams unit now is operating,

another gasification plant was in operation for a few years. This previous

gasifier had earlier been located in Tervola in Finnish Lapland and then

modified for service in Lestijärvi. The operation in Tervola was

unsuccessful. In Lestijärvi the plant was in operation, but there were

problems with gas quality. The rapeseed oil press and the drying facility,

were already on the site when Turos Team came into picture. The gasifier in

the video is the first of Turos teams units that is running as a real

installation, not “at home” for them.



I visited the plant in Lestijärvi two days ago. At that time the turbine

was not in operation due to too little heat load at the time (+4 C). The

district heating system was in operation and run on producer gas. The unit

is over dimensioned for the site and a portion of the produced gas also was

flared. Based on the color of the flare, the gas seemed to be of real good

quality. Not entirely soot free, but with a flame looking like when clean

tar free wood gas burns in a flare. Previously I have had the opportunity

to see flares and also smell dripping condensate from another of Turos

teams smaller units. The concensate was like spring water.



For heat sold to customers in a district heating system in Finland, one

can typically take a price of about 70-80 €/MWh. For electric power

delivered to the grid, one gets the Nordpool FI price minus a margin. This

price varies, but it usually is within the range of 30-50 €/MWh. At the

moment it is about 35 €. This means that it mostly is clearly more

interesting to produce heat than power.



In the entire building in Lestijärvi, there was no smell of tar or smoke,

and the process seemed to run very smoothly. Time by time one could hear

small amounts of wood chips being fed to the gasifier. As is mentioned in

the video, there is no access to the interiors of the gasifier except the

two 2” plugs on the side. In the gas piping there is a small trap for

flyash, but it this is not really designed for removing much anything.



The gasifier was fed with wood chips with a humidity of about 30 % and

according to the inventor additional water was added at a rate of 10 l/h.

The statements of how much fuel was measured to be consumed per produced

MWh were not believable, 200 litres of wood chips/MWh. This is about one

fourth to one fifth of the amount that should be needed. Mr. Heimonen was

very aware of this himself too. I have been dealing with gasification for

many years and seen and heard unbelievable statements before too. When

something is too good for being true, it tends to show up that it also is

not. Water did not burn in Reisijärvi either despite earlier statements

made by another company… This unit in Lestijärvi is the most impossible

unit I have seen so far, but it seems to work. I can not believe the

efficiency statements and the presented values, but I can see that the unit

produces a clean gas and that the process seems to run very smoothly.



Measurements made by VTT (Technical research centre of Finland) on one of

the earlier units also showed impossible values. The construction of the

gasifier is a well kept secret. No patents or other documents on this are

available.



I keep my thumbs for Turos team and Mr. Heimonen! Gasification suffers

from too many failures, success stories are needed! The laws of nature are

hard to break, but also if the values are not true, a well functioning

system is worth a lot.



Fredrik Ek



[email protected]

+358407547182







On Wed, 11 Dec 2013 17:06:45 -0800, "Tom Miles" <[email protected]>

wrote:

I liked that as well. Do we have any idea what “gasification” scheme

they

are using? They say they have a gasifier and that they are making high

hydrogen but they carefully avoided showing any useful pictures of the

reactor. We see a lot of gauges and pipe fittings in these videos.







Tom







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On

Behalf Of Thomas Koch

Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 4:25 PM

To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification;

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Subject: Re: [Gasification] HKG BIONEAR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKbYDF9Hp0o&feature=player_embedded







I love the last 10 seconds of the video







This plant is not designed to be repaired – it is designed to run

smoothly.







Best regards







Thomas Koch























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vegne af kari käräjäoja

Sendt: 11. december 2013 21:00

Til: [email protected]

Emne: [Gasification] HKG BIONEAR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKbYDF9Hp0o

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKbYDF9Hp0o&feature=player_embedded>

&feature=player_embedded







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKbYDF9Hp0o

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKbYDF9Hp0o&feature=player_embedded>

&feature=player_embedded







VISITED TODAY THIS 4,2 MW ENERGY  station.



VERY IMPRESSIVE!



Made in Finland. PROUDLY1 SEE WHY...



--

Fredrik Ek

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+358407547182

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