Tom Miles,
You might want to paint somewhat a more complete picture, the "successful"
units may need to be fed less than 10% moisture wood, less than 3% fines, which
is a rarefied wood source indeed. Most are also reliant on "filters" that have
to be shut down and replaced periodically and a host of other aspects that
reduce the potential in the market.
A 20 kw unit by US Standards, is good for one house.
If those who wonder what has gone on with the gasification list, perhaps
because of the lack of innovation to reduce the narrowness of the feedstock,
notably this list is primarily focused on downdraft systems, there are
approaches that expand the application base and increase market necessary to
prevent saturation at a low level.
Energy prices or availability has repeatedly cycled gasification
applications up and down, from coal fired "town gas" units replaced with
natural gas, to WW II fossil fuel shortages. However, there are applications
not subject to this cyclic effect.
Sincerely,
Leland T. "Tom" Taylor
Thermogenics Inc.
+001-505-463-8422
www.thermogenicx.com
Skype: ltt.invent
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From: Tom Miles <[email protected]>
To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'
<[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Jan 3, 2017 9:18 am
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Where is Everyone?
I received in inquiry last week from someone looking for a microgrid scale
gasifier to power four homes in a remote off-grid wooded area. What suppliers
do we have for that scale?
We have seen some reliable systems at a larger scale. All Power Labs
(http://www.allpowerlabs.com/), Volter (volter.fi), Entrada
(http://www.entrade.de/) and Spanner
(http://www.holz-kraft.de/en/company/102-spanner-re-2-company) all seem to be
selling refined units at the 20kWe+. Are there others?
Tom
From: Gasification [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Pete & Sheri
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 7:44 AM
To: 'Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification'
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Where is Everyone?
Hello Doug.
Re:
“It's a mute point drawing the low price of gasoline into our discussions”
A moot point?
I was only responding to your questioning the lack of traffic to this forum,
not its mission.
Most people spend their discretionary time doing what seems most important to
them, I think. When gasoline is USD$4.00 per gallon, the idea of developing or
supporting cheaper alternatives rises higher towards the top of the to-do list.
Oh- maybe you did mean “mute” point. In either case, I won’t bring it up again.
Pete Stanaitis
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From: Gasification [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Doug
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Gasification] Where is Everyone?
Hi Pete,
We are only as professional as our need to breath the same air. Because we all
are at different levels of knowledge, none of us can know how to answer, or
ask questions, due to the differing perspective of how our interests have
"drawn us in". We all share that gasification has such promise for energy
applications, so asking questions or providing answers is the reason this list
was created.
Yes, there have been other groups form to discuss gasification, There are no
short cuts to reliable gasifier performance, but information without scrutiny
can only speak for itself. This Forum and it's extensive collection of related
information, was the first to recognize the need for such discussions and
become available to us all. There never has been any restriction on who
participates, and some very good people have shared with us particularly in
the earlier years.
It's a mute point drawing the low price of gasoline into our discussions
relating to an alternative for fossil fuels! It's not about the price, but
availability which can change over night, and for me, that means being able to
be self supporting in time of need. NZ has had a reported 32,000 quakes this
last year, plus major storms that destroyed electrical distribution facilities.
Are any of us really prepared for the inconvenience when, not if, it comes?
Doug Williams.
On 03/01/17 12:21, Pete & Sheri wrote:
Hello Doug.
I view this list to be for the professional for the most part, so I hesitate to
join in unless I have a question that I can clearly describe.
But I think at least part of the reason for the lack of traffic is that there
are now several other websites that cater to hobbyist and advanced tinkerer
wood-to-electricity crowd:
-Yahoo woodgas group,
-Yahoo charcoal gasifier group
-Wayne Keith’s driveonwood.com website
-allpowerlabs.com
And I am sure there are many others.
In addition (although I have been flamed for even mentioning it), gasoline for
USD$2.00 per gallon does take the edge off for many people.
Pete Stanaitis
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