Off course you are right! Sorry Rolf On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 12:47:44 -0600 Paul Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
> Rolf and all, > > The Windhager is not a retort and is not a TLUD at all. In a retort, > the heat is outside of the container with the fuel. And a TLUD has > TOP-LIGHTING. > > It is a very nice updraft gasifier with close-coupled combustion (no > attempt to cool the gases, they are all intended for burning). > > Paul > > Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD > Email: [email protected] > Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072 > Website: www.drtlud.com > > On 1/9/2017 2:49 AM, Energies Naturals C.B. wrote: > > I came across this video when browsing for gasifiers. > > In german language, people also call downdraft logburners gasifiers, which > > in many ways is right. > > > > The Windhager retort is a true TLUD. > > > > The remarcable idea in this one is the double bottom sluice. > > Whether it makes charcoal or not sure is only a matter of discarding > > earlier or later and of the distance between the 2 discs. > > (Shure a gas analyzer can tell us when it's time to let the charbed drop.) > > > > I would air cool them, though. I have a lot of bad experience with long > > term warping of hot metal plates. > > > > I like the idea. > > > > Rolf > > > > > > On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 01:01:29 -0600 > > Bob Stuart <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Dear Bjorn, > >> > >> Since char is one of the better ways to sequester carbon, it should be > >> easy to persuade German legislators to accept it into landfills at no cost. > >> > >> Bob Stuart > >> > >> > >> On 17-01-09 12:36 AM, Björn Kuntze wrote: > >>> Paul, > >>> > >>> since I am German, I understood the video, of course. > >>> > >>> The system is designed for hot water production for domestic and > >>> commercial space heating. Power range is 7...60 kW. There is no charcoal > >>> production. This unit burns the wood and the ash is disposed. According > >>> to European standards ash for disposal may not contain more than 5% of > >>> combustibles (char), otherwise it cannot be used for landfill. > >>> > >>> Here is the link to the English website for further information: > >>> http://www.windhager.com/int_en/products/wood-chip/purowin/ > >>> > >>> Bjorn > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > >>> Von: Gasification [mailto:[email protected]] > >>> Im Auftrag von Paul Anderson > >>> Gesendet: Montag, 9. Januar 2017 05:26 > >>> An: [email protected] > >>> Betreff: Re: [Gasification] Getting both heat and char . chip boiler with > >>> down-up gasification ! > >>> > >>> List, > >>> > >>> I do not understand German, so I only saw the video. What is the price > >>> tag? And what is the thermal output? And what is the quantity (char > >>> weight percentage of input fuel)? > >>> > >>> Paul > >>> > >>> Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD > >>> Email: [email protected] > >>> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072 > >>> Website: www.drtlud.com > >>> > >>> On 1/8/2017 1:14 PM, Energies Naturals C.B. wrote: > >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF1Ki-ngFjE > >>>> > >>>> Never seen before in heating boilers,clever! > >>>> > >>>> Rolf > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2017 13:33:30 +1300 > >>>> Doug <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Paul and Rolf, > >>>>> > >>>>> Pyrolytic gas can be quite wet so precise temperatures are risky to > >>>>> quote. What I can tell you from experience, is that it always burns > >>>>> hotter than clean producer gas, upwards of 1,050C, a basic tar test > >>>>> for cleaner specification gas, 13-1500C is a rough rule of thumb for > >>>>> gas exiting the combustion chamber. It has a very high radiation > >>>>> factor useful for refractory application, but the price for this is > >>>>> that you will get a high ash content in the kiln and flue dust > >>>>> emissions. > >>>>> > >>>>> The actual combustion is complex, but achievable in a non regulated > >>>>> situation, emissions being the issue, both dust and toxic gas CO,CH4, > >>>>> and Dioxins. Combustion of these gases have been our focus for some > >>>>> 6-7 years, and current work at CalForest in California, is to use > >>>>> this gas to dry the incoming fuel to the charmaker. > >>>>> > >>>>> Might be able to offer more later as you develop the concept. > >>>>> > >>>>> Doug Williams. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 04/01/17 12:20, Paul Anderson wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Rolf, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am responding to your two messages that are repeated below. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am definitely with you on this matter of making heat AND making > >>>>>> char. I have lots of experience with small scale devices, and > >>>>>> moderate experience up to 200 kW thermal. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yes, BOTH the heat and the char are important, and help to pay for > >>>>>> the other one. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Before taking the discussion off-list, could you please tell all of us > >>>>>> about your needs and about your resources. No solution is free from > >>>>>> the development costs. Does the kiln already exist (or is that > >>>>>> another cost to be covered?) And we want to find out who else has a > >>>>>> "burning" interest in this. (This was 2/3rds of a pun. 2/3rds > >>>>>> is P U ; as in pew!!) (With full respect for the non-native > >>>>>> English speakers on this listserv, here is then meaning of the joke: > >>>>>>> Wordwizard • View topic - *PEW* !! whats that?? > >>>>>>> <http://www.wordwizard.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=63421> > >>>>>>> http://www.wordwizard.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=63421 mj (a.k.a. > >>>>>>> Michael), The word *PEW*! has been around a bit more than decades ( > >>>>>>> see ... 2) [1859] Expressing disgust at an unpleasant *smell*. > >>>>>> And where it happens does make a difference, such as with labor costs. > >>>>>> You are in Mexico. In what part? Plenty of dry biomass?? > >>>>>> Please > >>>>>> send info. Okay if in Spanish (I can read that, and if others > >>>>>> cannot, we will cross that bridge when necessary). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Do you know Noel C. of forestry in Mexico? Could this become a > >>>>>> Mexico project? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Question for everyone: When "woodgas" (pyrolytic gases) come off of > >>>>>> the biomass, what is the highest temperatures at which they can be > >>>>>> burned? That would be with stochiometric combustion, right? Just the > >>>>>> right amount of air. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Paul > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Gasification mailing list > >>> > >>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > >>> [email protected] > >>> > >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > >>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org > >>> > >>> for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > >>> http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Gasification mailing list > >>> > >>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > >>> [email protected] > >>> > >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > >>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org > >>> > >>> for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > >>> http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ > >>> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gasification mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > [email protected] > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org > > for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: > http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/ -- Energies Naturals C.B. <[email protected]> _______________________________________________ Gasification mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address [email protected] to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/gasification_lists.bioenergylists.org for more Gasifiers, News and Information see our web site: http://gasifiers.bioenergylists.org/
