-----Original Message----- From: GF <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, Dec 28, 2010 8:25 pm Subject: Re: [Gasification] Syngas on Wiki_
Ken, You have an interesting point. Presumably, NATURAL GAS "Methane" is the original model gas and any reasonable copies should be considered as being synthetic. the product of marshes, swamps,digestive systems natural and man made, produce natural gas. It belonged to organic chemistry and remained so, until Sabatier synthesized it, by using non organic chemicals, receiving a Nobel prize for his efforts. The use of the word "synthesis gas" describing a product which might or could possibly be used to make "something else" really has little meaning. A quantity of flour could be used to make all sorts of pastries and pies, but we could hardly call it "SYNCAKE". Returning to your FORTE (microbiological fermentation) I have always believed the methods of production are detrimented by the requirements of space and time, a bit like watching the grass grow and needing a large sunlit area, or at least heated environment. .... ... ...Which brings me to a question I' v always wanted to ask: Is it possible to get more gas production from "Microbes" if they are working in a pressurized environment, say , 20 atmospheres? If animals can survive under say 20 atmospheres, Under similar pressure, would the Metabolism of microbes increase, giving a higher yield of Syngas? Not knowing from which orifice the individual bug delivers the gas from, the possibility remains; "force feeding in this way "might" increase production, If so, the foot print of the production unit could be somewhat reduced. .HAPPY NEW YEAR GF -----Original Message----- From: Ken Calvert <[email protected]> To: Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and gasification <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Dec 28, 2010 7:43 pm Subject: Re: [Gasification] Syngas on Wiki_ To me, the relatively new technology that blurs the division that you folks are debating, between Producer gas/Woodgas/Syngas, is the fact that all of these processes can be used to make liquid fuels by microbiological fermentation. Stay in Wiki but switch to "Syngas fermentation". "Syngas fermentation process has advantages over a chemical process since it takes places at lower temperature and pressure, has higher reaction specificity, tolerates higher amounts of sulfur compounds, and does not require a specific ratio of CO to H2[2]. O.K. its not a pushover, but it is commercial! http://bioconversion.blogspot.com/2005/12/doe-on-synthesis-gas-fermentation.html To me, with a background in Biogas as well as Woodgas, this is the way to go. Ken C. _______________________________________________ The Gasification list has moved to [email protected] - please update your email contacts to reflect the change. Please visit http://info.bioenergylists.org for more news on the list move. Thank you, Gasification Administrator _______________________________________________ The Gasification list has moved to [email protected] - please update your email contacts to reflect the change. Please visit http://info.bioenergylists.org for more news on the list move. Thank you, Gasification Administrator
