Sure, just take matters into your own hands... So to speak. :-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message----- From: John Vega <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:33:00 To: <[email protected]> Subject: [gatortalk] Re: FW: [gatornews] [SUN]: UF Campus News: UF's helmet policy focuses on employees Ca I play Doctor? -Zeb Donorcycle: https://www.msu.edu/~telder/donorcycles6-10-09.pdf On Jun 26, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Oliver Barry wrote: > Late one night in that bar. > > Oliver Barry CRS,GRI > Real Estate Broker > Bob Parks Realty > 1517 Hunt Club Blvd > Gallatin TN 37066 > Phone: 615-826-4040 > Fax: 615-822-2027 > Mobile: 615-972-4239 > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Shane Ford > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 3:08 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [gatortalk] Re: FW: [gatornews] [SUN]: UF Campus News: > UF's helmet policy focuses on employees > > Since when did YOU play a lawyer???? :-) > > > Shane Ford > GO GATORS!!! > > -------------- Original message from "Oliver Barry" > <[email protected]>: -------------- > > Previously the argument for not restricting tobacco use and > advertising was that smokers died earlier and therefore we save the > taxpayer/consumer money by allowing them to smoke. As it turns > out, that’s not the case. It actually costs more to keep smokers > alive after they get sick. Burden upon society. > While I’m not a doctor nor a lawyer (although I’ve played both > parts on occasion) I would wager that the doctors you mention see > cases where during helmet use they see anecdotally cases where it > would appear that lack of a helmet would have ended the life of the > victim and therefore have been less of a burden on society. > The true picture is probably that over all, head injuries from non- > use of helmets places a far greater burden on society than these > three doctors could even imagine. > And, I can produce several health care providers (doctors and > nurses) who would back this up. > Yes, there are many inherently dangerous activities that should be > and are (including UF football) regulated vigorously. No, I don’t > think there should be a more compelling reason than that. Do you > use seatbelts? The burden on society that non-use of seatbelts > caused has been reduced greatly. If I had time, I could think of > many more examples. But I think you get the picture. > > Oliver Barry CRS,GRI > Real Estate Broker > Bob Parks Realty > 1517 Hunt Club Blvd > Gallatin TN 37066 > Phone: 615-826-4040 > Fax: 615-822-2027 > Mobile: 615-972-4239 > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Vega > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 2:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [gatortalk] Re: FW: [gatornews] [SUN]: UF Campus News: > UF's helmet policy focuses on employees > > I don't see why this should be so. > > We will allow inherently dangerous activities such as skydiving and > powerboating. Heck, we even have a football team at UF that > experiences (and causes) its fair share of injuries. > > Shouldn't there need to be a more compelling reason for legislating > behavior than risk of injury? > > I guess I think back to my jurisprudence class at UF Law. Rather > than adopting laws ad hoc (the "bonne judge" approach), we set up a > framework that hangs on something my professor used to call a > "Grundnorm." > > I've always viewed it as a social compact issue. In a state of > nature, I would give up my right to steal from others in order to > protect myself from others stealing from me. I can't think of a > reason why I would give up my right to ride a motorcycle without a > helmet - I receive nothing in exchange. > > The only argument that tends to be advanced is the financial burden > I would indirectly bear as a member of society to care for injured > motorcyclists. As it turns out, the financial burden would be > higher with helmet laws, not lower. > > So, I'm left with no plausible reason why I give up this right or > ask others to do so; regardless of whether it may sometimes be in > their interest (the low speed crashes, as you indicate). > > -Zeb > > > On Jun 26, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Oliver Barry wrote: > > > Using that logic, the injury caused by a low speed crash on a > motorized cycle would also leave the rider unharmed if wearing a > helmet. > Doing something is better than doing nothing. > > Oliver Barry CRS,GRI > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Vega > Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:55 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [gatortalk] Re: FW: [gatornews] [SUN]: UF Campus News: > UF's helmet policy focuses on employees > > > On Jun 26, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Oliver Barry wrote: > > > > This is probably a thfgt issue, but I think that anyone who rides a > bike, motorized or not, without a helmet should have his/her head > examined. (pun intended) > We ride every weekend and won’t let anyone ride with the group > without a helmet. Tennessee has a helmet law that has come close > to being struck down with each session of the legislature. So far > it hasn’t. I’ve lent my voice to those who have a vote many times. > > We have 4 neurosurgeons in our town; at one point I represented 3 > of them. > > To each, I asked the question whether society had a financial > interest in mandating motorcycle helmet laws. > > The answers, although uniform, surprised me. > > Each indicated that the type of injury that a helmet would save the > life of a motorcyclist would leave a spinal compression fracture > (the cranium being protected by the helmet). The biker would be > alive, but likely quadriplegic. The cost to society, even if the > biker had insurance, of a quadriplegic is astounding. > > However, they also indicated that helmets should be mandatory for > bicycle riders. A low speed crash with a head blow that could kill > a bicyclist would leave the cyclist unharmed if wearing a helmet. > > I like that UF's policy applies equally to bicycles at it does > motorized vehicles. > > Food for thought. > > -Zeb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
