Ah, I love it when our resident research analysts dig up all the ammo we need to shut the puppies up. Stuff like this makes me look like I know what I'm talking about and my challengers slink off in awe. ;-)
Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Kirkley To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:34 AM Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel It doesn't matter how you want to look at it. I agree that Herschels bowl game stats should be included, so Tim will break the record with 4 more TDs. But to say the records should be based on per game stats is ridiculous. Herschel touched the ball 994 times, Tim is below 600. So when the season is done, Tim will have carried the ball almost 200 time less than Herschel. Also, when Tim gets sacked, that counts as a carry, Walkers carries were all designed running plays. even including the lost yardage for sacks, Tim averages 4.3 ypc, Walker 5.3. What makes this record so amazing is that Tim is a QB and he has also thrown for 77 TDs! And just for the record, Tim has only scored 2 of his rshing TDs in bowl games, Walker had 5. Ken K MNGator ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Vega Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [gatortalk] Re: TT vs. Herschel I have read and heard this argument now about a dozen times. CBS even included it in their graphic when the record was broken. There are two problems with this argument: 1. It is stupid. Players nowadays can accumulate stats in a 12th regular season game and a conference championship game, but it is the bowl game rule that is letting career stats be broken? Really? TT had 14 games count last year, Walker had 11 each of his year. That's where the variable is, not the bowl issue. This is the same reason that breaking O.J.'s single season rushing record in a 16 game season when it was set in a 12 game season is silly. Pundits everywhere saw this coming when the season was lengthened and bowl games were made official. All of career and season stats should be kept on an average per game basis, but they are not because - if they did - Jim Brown would still be the NFL's leading rusher. Until someone adopts this method, the rule is the rule. Which leads to... 2. Why is Tebow the first time that anyone has brought this issue up? There are dozens of records that have been "broken" only because of the 12th game plus the bowl game. I have never seen the issue raised until now, much less in a graphic by the broadcast company when the record was broken. Another good example is Bowden's victory total that includes what would be Division II victories at Samford. At the time, there was no distinction, so the NCAA rule is that they count as Division I. A dumb rule, but a rule is a rule, and no one brings the issue up - unless it is Tebow. -Zeb On Nov 2, 2009, at 8:39 AM, Juno Gator wrote: QB Tim Tebow Looked like the Tebow of old Saturday, completing 15-of-21 passes for 164 yards and two touchdowns, and rushing 18 times for 85 yards and two more touchdowns. Tebow had his first turnover-free day since Sept. 26 against Kentucky, and the offense generally looked crisp and prepared against a soft Georgia defense. And props to Tebow for scoring career rushing touchdowns 50 and 51, breaking Herschel Walker's rushing touchdown record. True Tebow fans, though, won't be happy until Tebow gets to 55 touchdowns, because we all know that Walker really had 54. Walker had five touchdowns in bowl games that the SEC refuses to apply retro-actively for some reason, even though the SEC counts Tebow's bowl game TDs. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
