What? No threats? No compromising pictures of the dean? Man, I'm extremely disappointed. :-)
SHANE ---------- Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Mobile Email ------Original Message------ From: John Vega <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:32:22 PM GMT-0400 Subject: [gatortalk] Re: [gatornews] [SUN]: UF will allow film students to use Haiti footage [Crabbe] On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Shane Ford wrote: > The students returned anyway, saying they believed it was allowed > because they used private money. UF Provost Joe Glover later said > that allowing the footage to be used in the thesis would have > defied the purpose of the travel policy. Bougher said the > university relented only after his lawyer, Gary Edinger, sent a > letter threatening a lawsuit. As did I, albeit without the lawsuit threat. -Zeb ------------------ Begin forwarded message: > From: "Glover,Joseph" <[email protected]> > Date: March 31, 2010 8:22:07 PM EDT > To: John Vega <[email protected]> > Cc: "Glover,Joseph" <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [SUN]: UF students run afoul of UF's Haiti travel ban > [Crabbe] > > Dear Mr. Vega, > > Thank you for your email regarding the University of Florida’s > policy on student travel to Haitihttp://www.admin.ufl.edu/ddd/ > default.asp?doc=15.8.2467.2 The policy was based, and continues to > be based, on advisories from competent experts in state and federal > government, in particular the U.S. Department of State. The > Department of State Travel Warning, dated March 30, states in part, > “The Department of State strongly urges U.S. citizens to avoid > travel to Haiti.” The full text of the travel warning is available > at http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_4632.html > In light of these advisories, and in view of the University of > Florida’s primary responsibility to promote and maintain the well- > being of its students, we made the decision to restrict “UF- > sanctioned, -sponsored, or –approved trips for students to Haiti.” > We will review this policy on a regular basis, although we > anticipate it will remain in place until conditions change and > competent experts advise that travel to Haiti presents a reasonable > risk for UF students. > > Had either of the two students been injured or killed while in > Haiti, we would be having a very different conversation. The > university, and the professors who encouraged them to go back to > Haiti, would be blamed for being reckless and irresponsible. We > must make our decisions, although sometimes unpopular, with our > students’ well-being in mind. > > Sincerely yours, > Joe Glover, Provost > > From: John Vega [[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:45 AM > To: Glover,Joseph; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SUN]: UF students run afoul of UF's Haiti travel ban > [Crabbe] > > Mr. Glover and Ms. Telles-Irvin, > > As nothing more than an interested UF alumnus (College of Law), > I've read the stated travel ban regarding Haiti and the matter of > the students filming a documentary in that country. To be frank, > the ban reads more like a disclaimer than an actual travel ban. > > Given potential liability concerns, I can fully understand why UF > adopted this policy: > > > > 2. > Travel to Haiti > > 2/5/2010 > > > Joe Glover, Provost & Patricia Telles-Irvin, Vice President for > Student Affairs > > Based on an assessment of risk and on advice from the federal and > state governments, we are adopting the following policy until > further notice: > There are to be no UF-sanctioned, -sponsored, or -approved trips > for students to Haiti. > Faculty and staff who wish to travel to Haiti to render assistance, > to pursue research, or to otherwise act in their professional > capacities as employees or representatives of UF must receive prior > approval for the trip from Lynn Frazier, David Sammons, or the > Provost. > Faculty and staff who do not receive such approval but who > nevertheless choose to travel to Haiti on unpaid or annual leave > should make clear that they are acting without the approval or > sanction of the university and do not represent the university. > > However, I have a hard time reading this policy and concluding that > information gained during a non-sanctioned, non-sponsored and > unapproved trip could not be included in one's thesis. I read it > more along this lines of "cancel UF-sanctioned activities in > Haiti" (such as exchange programs or University-sponsored charity > work). > > It would seem that faculty who have had prior approval denied could > still visit Haiti during the ban, so long as they make it clear > that they are acting without the approval or sanction of the > University and do not represent it, and utilize whatever > information they learn or material they obtain to augment their > future course materials. It would seem inapposite to deny UF > students the same option. The fact that "students" are not > referenced in the final two paragraphs would seem to imply that > their freedoms are greater than the limitations placed upon > faculty; not lesser. > > There is a big difference between these two sentences: > > "There are to be no UF-sanctioned, -sponsored, or -approved trips > for students to Haiti." > (a position taken to limit UF's potential liability) > > and > > "There are to be no trips for UF students to Haiti." > (a complete travel ban) > > In my opinion, UF should respect the difference between the two > sentences and not rewrite this policy ex post facto. > > -John Vega > > -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us To unsubscribe, reply using "remove me" as the subject. -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
