I am sure you must have had my salads many times. I started "An Apple A Day" for my father, Johnny, after he retired and could not stand it. You probably knew him if you went in at lunch. I would usually open and close. During the day, I taught at UNF. We kept it until he had a major stroke and could not longer run the business.
Jerry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cecilia Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 12:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Double Standard Hey, cool... what business was it, Jerry? I used to work in the old Gulf Life building, now the Modis building... and then in the Barnett Tower, now Bank of America so we walked to the Landing for lunch at least a couple of times a week. You're probably right about cops dealing with drunk kids out in public at places like the Landing. I'm mostly talking about cops breaking up parties in private homes. When I was a kid, they'd just make sure none of us were driving and that we had permission to be there (since parents were usually out of town at the party house ;-) ). Now, their treatment is so harsh and well known (arresting kids, writing citations for everyone present) that the kids are prone to run... and then sneak back later and drive their cars home even if they were originally intending to spend the night at the party house. In St. Johns County, they call all the kids' parents (some of the kids still run but not nearly are as afraid of their parents as are afraid of being arrested) and ask them to come get them, making sure they don't drive away from the site. In Duval County, they are just as likely to call for a wagon and take them all downtown. :-/ Even if they don't charge them, that seems unreasonable to me... or maybe especially if they don't charge them. I know one thing for sure... I haven't seen it deter a single kid from drinking again the next time. Cee, probably in THFGT territory already ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Belloit" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 11:12 PM Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Double Standard > That is surprising. I have not lived in Jacksonville for 20 years. I had > a > business then in the Jax Landing. (I had one of the original ones there. > We sold it to a Russian Couple after we had been there 10 years.) I got > to > know quite a few of the Jacksonville police and I did not see the kind of > abuse you are talking about. There were times that I was amazed how well > they maintained their composure when they would be dealing with drunk kids > at the Landing. > > Jerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Cecilia > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 10:55 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [gatortalk] Double Standard > > Jerry... I agree with you about the drinking age. Raising it to 21 hasn't > done a thing to curtail teenage drinking, and it seems a lot worse now > than > it was when I was in high school. There was definitely drinking back in > the > > day, but it didn't seem quite so widespread. I mean... there were SOME > parties where there wasn't any alcohol available. Now, not so much. > > The cops in Duval have definitely changed. I don't remember them hassling > us at all when I used to come up here from G'ville for football games and > concerts, and it certainly wasn't because we weren't breaking any laws. > ;-) > > There is a weird dynamic going on here that would be more appropriately > discussed only on THFGT... and maybe not even there. But it's very > obvious > to those of us who live here, especially those who have teenagers. > Meanwhile, St. Johns County cops are either mellower or just seem so in > comparison to the ones in Duval. > > Cee > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Belloit" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 4:48 PM > Subject: RE: [gatortalk] Double Standard > > >>I am not sure that the police selectively enforce the law in Gainesville >> relative to Miami. The scale of activity in Miami is so much greater >> than >> Gainesville. The 2009 population of Dade County is about 2.5 million. >> The >> population of Alachua County is about 400000. The number of football >> players is about 100 in each. Thus, football players are about 8 times >> more >> likely to be seen in Alachua County vs. Dade County. Complicating the >> analysis, Dade County has many more times the number of police >> departments >> vs. Alachua County. >> >> I think one of the big differences in Gainesville today vs. when I lived >> there from 1971-1978 was that the legal drinking age was 18 when I >> arrived. >> I personally believe that raising the drinking age from 18 to 21 has >> increased the alcohol problem rather than reduced it. Drinking had no >> mystique when I was in college. I had been drinking for several years >> before college. Those "terrible" Duval County cops never seemed to >> bother >> me or my friends about drinking even when I was in high school. For us, >> drinking was usually a beer or two after work or with pizza. I rarely >> remember people drinking too much. If they did, the rest of us would >> intervene and would make sure that they did not drive. If the police >> ever >> caught us, we would promise to get those who had drank too much safely >> home. >> The only bad experience I ever remember about the police was the one I >> told >> about the St. Augustine police. >> >> Even in Gainesville, during my early college years, the Gainesville >> police >> were not the ones we had trouble with during the annual "riots". It was >> the >> Marion County police that people thought were goons. Generally the >> students >> got along pretty well with the local government. I even served as the >> vice >> chairperson of the Alachua County Housing Board while I was a student. >> >> I am not sure if there has been a paradigm change with local government >> and >> the police department over the years relative to their attitude toward >> students. I have read where some local governments in Florida (and >> elsewhere) have increased prosecutions (tickets) in order to generate >> revenue. That was true of Lawtey, and some suggested Waldo, but not true >> of >> any other areas I knew about back in my day. >> >> Jerry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of John Vega >> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 3:14 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [gatortalk] Double Standard >> >> I simply can not believe for a moment that Miami's football players are >> 10 >> times less likely than UF's to commit a minor or petty infraction of the >> law. >> >> I just don't believe it. >> >> What is probable is that UF players are more likely to be arrested for >> the >> same activities. >> >> Look at Jenkins. In 20 years of practicing law, I have never heard of >> anyone >> being charged with "affray." Really. >> >> And why was he arrested this last time? Because an officer saw him >> smoking > >> a >> cigar in a car. I've seen lots of people smoke cigars in cars; never seen >> anyone stopped for questioning. >> >> After being stopped for questioning, the officer stated he smelled >> marijuana >> and ultimately found a small amount of it. An amount so small that it is >> not >> even a crime in some states. >> >> I don't know if it is that things that get overlooked in a big city like >> Miami get noticed in a small town; local resentment of football players, >> or >> even possibly racism; but there is a systematic problem here and I don't >> think that it is the conduct of our football players. We recruit the same >> exact players as Miami and FSU and their arrest records look spotless >> compared to UF's. >> >> I don't think that Jenkins should have been punished, much less thrown >> off >> the team. I can't think of a single friend I had in college whose actions >> wouldn't make Jenkins look like a saint in comparison. They are now >> doctors, >> lawyers, engineers and judges. >> >> I also think that an anti-UF bias is why the total number of arrests is >> attracting attention and not the minor nature of the infractions. Who >> knows, >> but if I were a potential recruit right now, I'd pick a school where I >> could >> fly under the radar. >> >> -Zeb >> >> -- >> GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >> 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >> 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >> 2008 National Football Champions | >> Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel >> (1996), >> Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us >> >> -- >> GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! >> 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions >> 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions >> 2008 National Football Champions | >> Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel >> (1996), >> Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us > > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > 2008 National Football Champions | > Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel > (1996), > Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us > > -- > GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! > 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions > 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions > 2008 National Football Champions | > Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel > (1996), > Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us -- GATORS: ONE VOICE ON SATURDAY - NO VOICE ON SUNDAY! 1996 National Football Champions | 2006 National Basketball Champions 2006 National Football Champions | 2007 National Basketball Champions 2008 National Football Champions | Three Heisman Trophy winners: Steve Spurrier (1966), Danny Wuerffel (1996), Tim Tebow (2007) - Visit our website at www.gatornet.us
