IMNSHO, higher education and sports are weird bedfellows and probably do not belong together. However, sports programs do give a school an identity and they promote loyalty; this generates donations and builds classrooms, buildings and other things.
I have read that a number of smaller colleges are adding football and other sports to attract more male students. It seems that these colleges were becoming top heavy with females :-) Seriously, males are not attending colleges and universities in the same numbers as females, I have read but do not know if it is true. Fran _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rob Alexander Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 4:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [gatortalk] The First Game of the Year Discussion that Morphed Into a Title IX Discussion My gut feeling would be business -- Dave's definitions might also suggest that -- but I also see it as a spectrum, not as discrete choices. On a spectrum, I think college football would be near the border between sports and business, but on the business side, while pro ball would be firmly in the business range. Rob Sent from my iPad On Jul 11, 2011, at 3:07 PM, "Oliver Barry" <[email protected]> wrote: So, have we decided if UF football is a sport or business? Elvis is still alive. I just saw him last weekend at Red Lobster. Oliver Barry CRS,GRI Real Estate Broker Bob Parks Realty 1517 Hunt Club Blvd Gallatin TN 37066 Phone: 615-826-4040 Fax: 615-822-2027 Mobile: 615-972-4239 _____ From: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rob Alexander Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 1:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [gatortalk] The First Game of the Year Discussion that Morphed Into a Title IX Discussion Good comments, Dave. I'm the one guilty of using UFAA and I did indeed mean UAA. I'm just so used to both acronyms that the wrong one popped into my head. I can't speak for the others, but I rather enjoyed the discussion, even as it ranged far and wide from my original simple comment. That's what friends do in person as well. You start on one thing, then branch off to other topics. It feels a little more natural in person, but is still fun here. Rob Sent from my iPhone On Jul 11, 2011, at 12:33 PM, "Dave Rice" < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote: Out of lurkdom & into the fray with a simple comment (or seven (as it turned out) - why stop at one?): 1. By referencing the UFAA, I would hope that the discussion was not regarding the University of Florida Alumni Association, and the discussion referenced the UAA - University Athletic Association. 2. The UFAA works for only the alumni organizations and associated funding. The UAA is an entirely different entity that exists solely to support UF athletics. The two work together, when necessary, but are entirely independent of each other. They are both under the guidance of the University and the NCAA's rules and regulations. 3. I graduated in 1978, and wrestling was dropped by then. 4. In my opinion, Title IX is a good idea, but sometimes the perception of which gender is receiving the most benefits gets taken out of proportion and sometimes to extremes. And when the politicians get involved. (I ain't going there!) 5. UF is very fortunate with the leadership of Jeremy Foley as AD. Just another great example for providing the world with ample opportunity for "Gator Envy." 6. I have learned throughout my years of teaching & coaching (including an MA in Phys. Ed.) that what we experience in athletic and recreational activities are four levels: a. Play - The activity is fun, active, few rules, usually a concept, mass participation (primary ages); b. Game - The activity retains the fun, adds more structure and rules, adds strategy, lots of participation with differing levels of the activity (late primary ages & upward); c. Sport - The activity remains enjoyable from a spectator and participant's point of view, specific training becomes involved, additional strategies and higher level thinking skills are employed, fewer participants when compared to a general population (middle school ages & upward); d. Business - Activities are performed by the highly skilled, very selective participation, high levels of training, high levels of strategy, successful outcomes are expected (i.e. winning the game on a consistent basis), revenue is generated. There's more to this & I've paraphrased quite a bit - but I think I'm on target. 7. One of the posters questioned if the subject belonged in the THFGT section. My answer - absolutely not! This discussion has been one of the best in ages on GatorTalk! Well thought out, well presented & well written (until I got involved). We can't find this level of discussion & commentary on any other mail list &/or web site. This is exactly why I don't read the other major web sites. Sure, the emotional outbursts are fun at times to peruse; but very rarely is anything presented in a clear set of thoughts. And if it is, then some dolt who doesn't give a hoot about the subject interjects some sort of stupidity just to "stir the chili." My thanks to y'all! I'm done. Since Elvis is still dead, in his honor: "Thankyewverymuch." 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