Re: [gatortalk] Zook 2

C.Simpson Mon, 09 Sep 2013 19:14:12 -0700

Stephen, you bring up some good points and I think we'll all see whatthe future will bring as we play out the season.Probably the worse thing that ever happened to Illinois was when Zookhad a big year and went to the Rose Bowl. It delayed the inevitable(IMO) and they had to grin and bear it when the long downhill slidestarted. I asked the question several months ago about were the realGators the 500 team of 2011 or the 11-2 team of 2012.

Charlie


On 9/9/2013 7:19 PM, Stephen Manuel wrote:

I think any meaningful comparison between Zook and Muschamp at thispoint in their careers at UF is crazy...Remember all the off fieldshenanigans with Zook, the fight at the Frat House, etc....IMO,Muschamp inherited a undisciplined mess from Urban Meyer and has donea pretty good job so far in cleaning it up and establishing a firmfoundation. We did beat 4 top 10 teams last year, 2 on the road with asolid defense, good kicking game, and a conservative offense that didnot turn it over......Now, Muschamp may flame out and get fired in ayear or so, but right now, he's done a solid job, not great, butcertainly a very good job...

Yes the loss Saturday was painful and we can all question the playcalling but let's look back at 2 plays in particular.....Driskelmissed a wide open Quentin Dunbar in the end zone the play beforethrowing his first interception and Vernon Hargreaves stepped out ofbounds by 2-3 inches and would have scored otherwise...those 2 playsand we win going away.

Let's also look at the offensive line. Over the summer the projectedOL was Humphries, Garcia, Harrison, Halapio, and Moore....

Then at the beginning of fall practice we hear that Halapio is goingto be out a few weeks and the project OL then was Humprhies, Garcia,Harrison, Moore, and Green.

Then the week before the 1^st game Green was injured and gone for theyear, the OL then changed to Humphries, Garcia, Harrison, Koehne, andMoore...

Humpries got injured early in the game Saturday and the OL changedonce again during the game, basically we were without 3 key players,Humphries, Halapio and Green.

The key Saturday was TURNOVERS, last year we had 11 turnovers allseason and 6 were in one game....we cut down on turnovers and get afew more as the season goes along and we win against anyone..

Let's also remember that Miami has some really good players, a QB thatwill get drafted in the NFL, a stud RB, etc....they aren't the Canesof old but have some really talented offensive players and our Defenseafter the 1^st quarter absolutely dominated...as good or better thanlast year's defense.

Let's at our 2 competitors in the SEC East, UGA and SC, both are 1-1and have defenses that have been scorched....Spurrier has 2 assistantsin a fight on the sidelines and have to be separated byplayers.....the screams team in disarray....UGA has given up over 60in the first 2 games, plus their OL has looked anything but solid...


Stephen Manuel

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I said to my dog (only one here to watch with me) Somebody tell theGators there is not a rule in football that you MUST use 3 plays tomake the required 10yds for a FD.



On 9/9/2013 11:34 AM, Jay Cicone wrote:

    I was surprised we only hit the perimeter a few times with the
    running game---if I'm remember. Why not try to stretch them out?

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    I miss those fast starts under SOS too, Jay.

    Charlie, I agree about these drives that seem to be chock full of
    converted 3rd downs.  Once you get into the red zone, that
    philosophy becomes a big problem because the field is shortened
    and it's much easier to defend the "three yards and a cloud of
    dust" or a dink-and-dunk passing game.  As we all saw Saturday.

    I just don't know what to think.  I never liked Zook, and Meyer
    always made me uneasy somehow, even when we were winning.  I like
    Muschamp - a lot - and really want him to succeed. I just don't
    know that he'll have a chance if this season turns out poorly.  It
    really doesn't help our understanding of what's going on now that
    they don't let the media into practices any more.  Are we really
    just going to be that predictable and boring all year?  Is it
    because of a coaching philosophy, a talent issue, or both?  Are

they running more a more aggressive offense in practice, or not?Do they actually have a package for Trey Burton in the Wildcat

    where he might actually throw the ball?

    I am also concerned about the way they use Matt Jones (though it
    is early, and one can argue he may not be 100% yet)  - the few
    times I saw him play for Armwood, he was far more successful as a
    RB catching passes than being a straight downhill runner.

    On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 11:10 AM, C.Simpson <[email protected]
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        There was one drive in particular where we had either 3 or 4
        third and two situations and made them all by a 1/2 yard or
        so. Yes that's good but after all that we didn't get a score.



        On 9/9/2013 10:54 AM, Jay Cicone wrote:

            The one thing I loved about Spurrier was that we were
            often up 14 or 21 to nothing in the 1^st quarter. I like
            those fast starts.

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            Alonso
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            Zook's teams, if I recall, not only were painful on
            offense but didn't adjust on defense. Muschamp's teams
            adjust on D.  He needs to stop being so hardheaded about
            playing this boring, ball-control offense.  I get it - it
            speeds up the game and gives the D plenty of time to rest
            and stay aggressive; however, as may have said, it's death
            for the Gators if they either play from behind or the D
            starts to get winded.  I'm not asking for Fun and Gun
            again, but there are times when you need to "stick in the
            knife" like SOS would and kill the opposing team with two
            or three successful pass plays in a row, or one deadly
            strike downfield.

            On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:39 PM, C.Simpson
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                Gosh I hope not but I had this feeling for awhile.
                Charlie