Thanks.  I couldnt remember who said it.  I thought it was Gilmore.  I was
pretty shocked he said that actually considering Treons deep balls had
waayy to much air on them, whereas Grier probably does need to put a wee
bit of air on it..  he'll learn.  I told someone before that..  the
argument is that Treons legs can help take pressure off of the Oline.  I
disagree.  I think Grier making quick reads and getting the ball out fast
is going to help more down the long run.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 11:38 AM, 'Steve McKibben' via GatorTalk <
[email protected]> wrote:

> I loudly disagreed with Rod Gilmore when he made that stupid statement.
> Grier not only has more velocity and accuracy on his passes (be they long,
> short, or  intermediate), he also makes his reads faster and gets the ball
> out quicker. He will make some freshman mistakes  (I remember calling a
> certain freshman QB Danny Woeful many years ago) but feel like he is the
> best one we have on the roster to lead this team going forward. We have too
> many holes and thin spots on this year's team to view for championships,
>  so let's get those freshman mistakes behind us, win the games we're
> supposed to (and maybe some we aren't) and get back to being the mighty
> Gators!
>
> Cabana Boy
>
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> ------------------------------
> *From*:"Woody" <[email protected]>
> *Date*:Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 11:10 AM
> *Subject*:Re: [gatortalk] yow!
>
> Watched the game again yesterday and disagree about Treon having a better
> arm for the deep ball.
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015, 11:04 AM 'Scott Lucas' via GatorTalk <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I think you are right.  He has GREAT velocity on the ball.  Maybe too
>> much at times and needs some touch sometimes, but Treon doesn't seem to
>> really whip it in there when needed.  His ball tends to float more-- which
>> is great for the longer passes and ones where he throws to a spot but is a
>> problem when working the middle of the field or throwing between the zones.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Woody <[email protected]>
>> *To:* Gatortalk <[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2015 11:00 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] yow!
>>
>> Grier.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:58 AM, 'Scott Lucas' via GatorTalk <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Exactly my point... he did not admonish privately.  He made it very
>> public for a very good reason and it was very intentionally done that way.
>> That is not at all how Muschamp did it... his ranting and raving were very
>> personally directed, almost attacking, while this was done in a manner
>> which puts the team into perspective.
>>
>> I saw that tweet as well... it further underscores that McElwain made his
>> point and it was properly done and received.
>>
>> Changing the subject... Who starts this week against UK?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Jerry D. Belloit <[email protected]>
>> *To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2015 10:16 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] yow!
>>
>> Scott, the reason the team was surrounding Taylor was that Coach Mac
>> called them together.  He started by having Taylor look at everyone his
>> action had hurt.
>>
>> I saw a tweet by Tayor today.  He affirmed that Mac is a great coach and
>> was just trying to make him a better man.  It may be that he got the
>> message.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>>
>>
>> From: GatorTalk <[email protected]>
>> Reply-To: GatorTalk <[email protected]>
>> Date: Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 8:31 PM
>> To: GatorTalk <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [gatortalk] yow!
>>
>> Kinda upset?  Do you think it was unwarranted?  Do you think he was out
>> of line?
>>
>> If my players blatantly disobeyed or did something I specifically said
>> not to do, they could probably expect the same... This is not care bear
>> football.  These are athletes in which the university has greatly invested
>> in or is willing to do so.  If they can't hack it, or the parents can't,
>> maybe they should go.
>>
>> I coach football.  I expect far more from my players in the locker room
>> than any joe shmoe fan would ever expect.  They are students first,
>> athletes second, and their responsibility is to their teammates is far
>> before themselves.  The idea that the coach should not be mad or upset or
>> express it is just plain foreign to me.  You wouldn't let your own kids get
>> away with irresponsibility and disobediance, would you?   How would you
>> have him express it?
>>
>> I found it VERY telling that he did NOT chew him out by himself and
>> isolated.  He was surrounded by a whole bunch of players.  So was that a
>> teaching moment or a made for TV moment?  He had a circle of players-- many
>> I did not even recognize, surrounding Taylor.  I imagine it was both
>> moments.
>>
>> McElwain is building something here.  He is changing a culture of a lack
>> of accountability.  He held a star to a higher standard in front of a group
>> of players.  While I normally subscribe to the "praise in public, admonish
>> in private", that was a very public and teachable moment-- for Taylor and
>> the whole team and nation.  That is NOT what the Gators represent.  He is
>> trying to show that-- to parents, to recruits, to fans....
>>
>> To not come down hard on Taylor condones it... I have no problem with
>> McElwain's handling of the situation.  If it was not "made of TV", then why
>> was Taylor in the next series?  There is more to this than meets the eye...
>>
>> Look big picture.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* C. Simpson <[email protected]>
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2015 11:56 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [gatortalk] yow!
>>
>> Unfortunately all the players except the true freshmen have witnessed
>> ranting and raving first hand the past few years. I was kind of
>> disappointed in coach's behavior on the sidelines. Hopefully imo he can
>> figure out a way going forward to correct the problem.
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/13/2015 11:27 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> The way he chewed out Kelvin Taylor after the "slashing" personal foul
>> after the TD shows how angry he was at the entire team play.  They better
>> get it together going into the meat of the season, starting next week!!!
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Jay Cicone" <[email protected]>
>> *To: *[email protected]
>> *Sent: *Sunday, September 13, 2015 10:22:34 AM
>> *Subject: *[gatortalk] yow!
>>
>> Any of you watch Mac’s post game talk. He is seething and very, very
>> disturbed to the point of being near speechless. The offending players are
>> going to have to make a decision NOW or they’re done, gone, maybe even off
>> the team. This looks really ugly. Hopefully he will have the strength to
>> hold back physically. Looks like a bit more of a tweak and he could snap.
>>
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