If you will remember I wasnt exactly thrilled with certain hires the last several years. Muschamp, Weis, McElwain, Nuss, Shannon... I haven't been wrong yet and save from Shannon... the defense hasnt been that great and he hasnt been that great of a recruiter either).
On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Jerry D. Belloit <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree. I too had bought into the Mac façade. I feel badly about my > feelings toward Will Greer when he quit and went to WVU. I think I > understand now what was the back story. At the time, I like many Gators, > blamed Will’s father. However, I have watched him play several times this > year and I am not sure that he would have been the savior that many thought > he would have been. He still relies on his physical skills and tries to > force the ball into coverage. > > > > I do now agree Mac needed to go. I still wish it would have been handled > less publically. In reality, after Mac’s death statement comments, > Stricklin could just have waited and said nothing or said they were > investigating and left it at that. I doubt there would have been much > uproar after the beat down by Georgia. > > > > Jerry > > > > *From: *GatorTalk <[email protected]> on behalf of Oliver Barry < > [email protected]> > *Reply-To: *GatorTalk <[email protected]> > *Date: *Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 9:38 AM > *To: *GatorTalk <[email protected]> > > *Subject: *RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [SUN]: Dooley: McElwain Era > began to unravel early on > > > > Exactly! Just the story about Grier being run off by Mac was enough to do > it. > > Mac didn’t expect the wave of players who couldn’t play this season. > > > > Oliver Barry, CRS, GRI > > Real Estate Broker > > PARKS > > 305B Indian Lake Blvd > <https://maps.google.com/?q=305B+Indian+Lake+Blvd%0D+Suite+220%0D+Hendersonville+TN+37075&entry=gmail&source=g> > > Suite 220 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=305B+Indian+Lake+Blvd%0D+Suite+220%0D+Hendersonville+TN+37075&entry=gmail&source=g> > > Hendersonville TN 37075 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=305B+Indian+Lake+Blvd%0D+Suite+220%0D+Hendersonville+TN+37075&entry=gmail&source=g> > > Phone: 615-826-4040 <(615)%20826-4040> > > Mobile: 615-972-4239 <(615)%20972-4239> > > [email protected] > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Jay Cicone > *Sent:* Thursday, November 02, 2017 8:34 AM > *To:* '[email protected]' > *Subject:* RE: [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [SUN]: Dooley: McElwain Era > began to unravel early on > > > > I guess I drank the Kool Aid, but with just the media snippets we saw, > it’s hard to imagine the swirling undercurrents and dark side of his > personality was there pi$$ing everybody off. If true, we are certainly > better off without him. > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Oliver Barry > *Sent:* Thursday, November 02, 2017 9:25 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [gatortalk] FW: [gatornews] [SUN]: Dooley: McElwain Era began > to unravel early on > > > > This makes me feel much better about getting rid of McElwain. > > We no longer have to look up the spelling when we write the coach’s name. > > No longer have to worry about wind shirts as a potential fashion trend > that never took off. > > > > Oliver Barry, CRS, GRI > > Real Estate Broker > > PARKS > > 305B Indian Lake Blvd > <https://maps.google.com/?q=305B+Indian+Lake+Blvd%0D+Suite+220%0D+Hendersonville+TN+37075&entry=gmail&source=g> > > Suite 220 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=305B+Indian+Lake+Blvd%0D+Suite+220%0D+Hendersonville+TN+37075&entry=gmail&source=g> > > Hendersonville TN 37075 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=305B+Indian+Lake+Blvd%0D+Suite+220%0D+Hendersonville+TN+37075&entry=gmail&source=g> > > Phone: 615-826-4040 <(615)%20826-4040> > > Mobile: 615-972-4239 <(615)%20972-4239> > > [email protected] > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Shane Ford > *Sent:* Thursday, November 02, 2017 7:40 AM > *To:* GatorNews > *Subject:* [gatornews] [SUN]: Dooley: McElwain Era began to unravel early > on > > > Dooley: McElwain Era began to unravel early on > > By > > *Pat Dooley* > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttp-3A__www.gatorsports.com_author_pat-2Ddooley_%26d%3DDwMFaQ%26c%3DdqndFQAGz2cg7ln6ll1EqkpBLZllP_GH8-2iqGbTww0%26r%3D3ClwjFshmzXHmSDaXUBETHdbmlut-NMxU4Nx6xXzV60%26m%3D7uRObmAGkjJziUwRd-LHbLES3tSYpY3BbjklNXPtuFE%26s%3DjpATOZffhr7REFyIBqDQn6ywhi_uh2YEGoWGuSS_F6Q%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cbelloit%40clarion.edu%7C22152670a15e4933fed508d521f6fec5%7Cac5281b27ef14be9a6b48db2cf96ecca%7C0%7C0%7C636452267081641799&sdata=WKwexx1Yo1g5llHpRJrCP3ccyoJTX2b%2FXhnaW5gObIw%3D&reserved=0> > > (Gainesville SUN) - > > November 2, 2017 > > 1 > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttp-3A__www.gatorsports.com_2017_11_dooley-2Dmcelwain-2Dera-2Dbegan-2Dunravel-2Dearly_-23comments%26d%3DDwMFaQ%26c%3DdqndFQAGz2cg7ln6ll1EqkpBLZllP_GH8-2iqGbTww0%26r%3D3ClwjFshmzXHmSDaXUBETHdbmlut-NMxU4Nx6xXzV60%26m%3D7uRObmAGkjJziUwRd-LHbLES3tSYpY3BbjklNXPtuFE%26s%3De6vxM4ydsbDXpMMEH3RKwO1ttUvzSPUigLBV9J2cMYg%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cbelloit%40clarion.edu%7C22152670a15e4933fed508d521f6fec5%7Cac5281b27ef14be9a6b48db2cf96ecca%7C0%7C0%7C636452267081641799&sdata=cs86TG191mxed6YATWoQQ9DvXoQhWDFBrzk4jNwVf1Y%3D&reserved=0> > > > > > > To track where it all went wrong for Jim McElwain at Florida, you have to > go back to the beginning, to his first few days as the Gator coach when he > got a look around at his new surroundings. > > To say he was less than pleased would be an understatement. And because it > had been his style to be direct in getting what he wanted, it didn’t always > sit well with all University Athletic Association employees when he was. > > McElwain groused privately that he wouldn’t have taken the job or would > have at least had a better contract if he knew how poor the facilities and > infrastructure were. He closed ranks and went to work trying to fix what he > saw as a huge mess. > > One of his early edicts — and an example of his vision that no outsiders > would be allowed — was to kick the media out of the team meeting room where > all news conferences were held since the days of Steve Spurrier. > > Even before his first season, there was a feeling among the people he > worked with that it was hard to get a grip on where McElwain was coming > from. There was an almost-Nick Saban arrogance about him (hidden behind a > pseudo-affable front) without the track record to back it up. > > That included an awkward first meeting with all of the Gator head coaches > where his efforts to be glib and folksy came off as insulting and > condescending. To some, it felt like Team Florida was now only a shallow > motto. > > Whether he didn’t get Florida or Florida didn’t get him depended on your > perspective. > > But then came that first season when McElwain’s Gators started winning > despite having a patchwork offensive line and a redshirt freshman > quarterback thanks to the same killer defense that had been the trademark > of the previous regime. > > If you want to find the high point of the Jim McElwain Era at Florida, it > was that perfect October night in 2015 when the Gators throttled > third-ranked Ole Miss 38-10. > > A week later they handled Missouri on the road and found themselves > ranked — when the AP poll came out on Sunday — in the top 10. They also > found something else that Sunday — that quarterback Will Grier had tested > positive for a banned substance and would be suspended for the rest of the > season and the first half of the next one. > > McElwain was stunned by the news. > > “You have 30-something guys who take the test and for some reason they > always test the quarterback,” he said. “And he’s the one guy you don’t > worry about.” > > This, looking back, was the turning point in McElwain’s Gator career. His > 2015 team was able to punch out just enough close wins to take the SEC > East, but lost its final three games. The Gators won the East the next > year, but again were humiliated by Florida State and Alabama at the end of > the season. > > There was the record before the suspension of Grier — 6-0 — and after the > suspension — 16-12. The losses always felt worse than the wins felt good. > > But there was much more. > > If you were to highlight the many comments that raised the eyebrows of his > bosses, you would certainly start with the Outback Bowl postgame in 2017. > Scott Stricklin, still fresh on the job as athletic director, and the > collection of media in Tampa heard the coach say this after beating Iowa > 30-3: > > “We’ll look for the commitment that we get from the administration moving > forward, see where that’s at.” > > This was after Stricklin had met with McElwain and told him of the plans > for a contract extension, his vision for the new football operations > building and other financial commitments. > > It didn’t get any better a month later when McElwain was feeling his oats > on National Signing Day and responded to a question about fans being upset > when it looked like UF’s class was in trouble. > > “Every coach who has been here before me is aware of it. Might have driven > a couple of them out of here.” > > That was a direct shot at a fervent fan base. So was this response to a > similar question — “We don’t know what we’re doing.” > > That kind of condescending attitude didn’t win McElwain many friends > outside of the football offices. > > This summer, there was an uneasy tension in the stadium that houses the > football and UAA offices. No matter how many times McElwain was told “yes”, > it never seemed to be appreciated. > > And, strangely, the more he received, the less he felt appreciated. > > Still, there were high hopes for the 2017 football season. McElwain talked > about knocking the door down in Atlanta even though the Gators were not > picked to win their division. > > In a meeting with several members of the national college football media > in a private room at the Wynfrey Hotel at SEC Media Days in Hoover, Ala., > McElwain said something again that caught the attention of the > administration. > > Most of the interview was positive as he talked about how so many people > in the football offices now shared his vision. But he couldn’t let the day > go without another shot at the fans. > > “Maybe, some day, people might think we’re OK.” > > And then, another shot fired across the administration’s bow. > > “We finally opened our eyes to the fact that nobody invested less money > than Florida in the SEC since 2005.” > > True or not, Florida had won two national titles during that time and has > just invested millions in academics and facilities for athletes with more > to come. It felt like a body blow and certainly didn’t feel like everyone > was in this Team Florida thing together. > > Then, bad things started to happen that crippled the football team. > > On July 11, strong safety Marcell Harris was one of Florida’s reps at SEC > Media Days. Eight days later, his season was over after a torn Achilles > injury. > > Less than a month later, seven players were suspended from the team > because of credit card fraud. Two weeks later, two more were caught in the > trap. > > While nobody expects coaches to know every move a player makes, these were > still McElwain recruits giving Florida a bad name and sending national > media members into a frenzy about the Florida culture. > > Then came Michigan. McElwain had bragged about his offensive line all > summer and it was handled like it was runny oatmeal in the game. The > disconnection between the Gator fan base and its coach reached Defcon 3. > > After a game lost to a hurricane and some odd news conferences by McElwain > where he seemed almost beaten down by all of the bad news, Florida rallied. > > After the amazing win over Tennessee, Florida won from behind at Kentucky. > In the locker room after the game — a place where McElwain was never shy > about being bawdy and crude with his players — he told his team this: > > “Remember at the end of the day, it’s still bleeping Kentucky.” > > In the corner of the room, Stricklin’s eyes went down to his phone to > pretend to be reading something, according to someone in the room. What the > heck was that? > > When the unsustainable penchant for winning close ones went the other way, > Florida’s season was at a crossroads. > > That’s when McElwain made the fateful slip that was the light to the pile > of kindling he already had tossed into the fire pit. > > He talked of death threats, tried to blow it off, walked it back > eventually, but it was the perfect out for UF. He had either conjured up > the death threats or violated policy. > > Either way, it sped up an already rolling snowball. > > The 42-7 loss to Georgia just made it easier on the fan base. No matter > what happened in that game, the problem wasn’t going to change. > > For a lot of Florida fans, it felt like something that had almost come out > of nowhere. > > In reality, it had been brewing for a long time. > > *Contact Pat Dooley at 352-374-5053 <352-374-5053> or at > [email protected] <[email protected]>. 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