Manoj,
I partly disagree - you are saying that gay men in Mumbai who have been
blackmailed etc. when cruising, all thought they had been careful enough. This
is fallacious. I remember hearing and reading of a number of incidents on these
lists where the gay victim was simply ignorant of the need to be careful,
and/or ignorant of the existence of organised crime against gays (as against
spontaneous violence) and/or he took risks because that was the only way he saw
of getting laid.
Also, I think its stretching it too far to think that Anon wants to have a GB
meet to discuss in general the problems gay people face with public cruising.
He wants to discuss the problem gay men face in differentiating gay and
straight men in a train. Its a limited focus, and doesn't sound like the kind
of thing GB would want to get into !
But then I mean that from a practical point of view, and not from being
judgmental about train cruising - in fact, before we get judgmental about
train cruising, let us remember that giving tips to gay men to be careful when
cruising in trains is a better idea than having gay men beaten up. Those who
want to cruise will cruise anyway, its just a matter of whether its done safely
or dangerously. Moralising will not help. Sensitising them to the rights of
straight men will not help. Cautioning them about the risk of getting beaten
up, might help. As the poor guy said to start with, he learnt his lesson the
hard way and was just reporting it to the group.
Cheers
Salil
Manoj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dear Anon,
Well meanng but misplaced sympathies?
I am not the person to answer if there wud be a meet on the topic u have
suggested, but the way i see it , this is a topic on whether to cruise or not
to cruise in public places in the first places and can it ever be safe -- India
or elsewhere?
There may be safeguards and safety tips, but all those till date who have
been blackmailed or got hit by people or bashed up have all thought they are
playing safe till the hit came --right naa?
Manoj
Anon Anon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello Abhay,
I do understand while travelling in trains we guys can't stop urself frm
crusing guys with out knwing weither he is the one or nt,and secondly people do
talk ant thier experiences tht they had in train hence also wanna to have the
same.
I don't think this is worng but Abhay pls understand thing thier are some
basic things tht we had to keep in mind before crusing any guy/men in train
don't worry i am going to list them in the group bt please be carefulll. U were
very luck to just hd have bash frm homophobic people thier are other things
which are happing and i think group should knw they are now a days cops are
also in the compartment and they are in group and they ewncourage it first bt
later they get down with u and start thier routine work oher is thier are even
cheaters in train and u all knw wht happens whn u fall in thier hands.
I always wanted to make group aware bt was looking for right time and Abhay
your case hd gave me tht thing hence i would like to request to moderater or
responsable authorities who plan meeting can we have special meeting for
"Problems face by gay in Train cruing" the reason i saying is that i have given
counselling to many freinds of mine abt this thing and hence they are nt facing
any such problems. I am nt saying i will give tips for save crusing in tarin i
knw GB is nt for all this bt i wanna peolpe aware whts happing in trains now a
days.
I hope u will consider my request as u will fine many people r found of
travelling in 2x2 and they have to be aware abt things.
Anyways Abhay u can get in touch with me my mail if wanna any help frm my
side.
Thx
Well wisher of GB Guys.
Hello Everybody,
Last weekend I had experience which is a nightmare for any gay.
I was travelling by train, wherein I looked at this guy who I thought was a
gay, when I started making inroads by touching his thighs..........
I got heavely beaten in front of all passengers.
I dont know whether I feel ashamed of myself or am I among the people who are
making the gay community more vulnarable to homophobic people by my acts.
Certainly I did learnt lesson, the hard way.
Take Care.
Abhay
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