What everyone is forgetting:

1.      Microsoft Windows "out of the box" installs tend to be wide
open.

2.      Services like ftp, telnet, www, Indexing, remote access, remote
registry, routing & remote access, RPC, Windows Mgmt, Installer and
Scheduler all have known hacks and all (mostly) are open to
access/exploits "out of the box".

3.      There is also a little known issue with the IP stack in NT that
requires a "hot fix". It implements a new randomizer.

4.      Even Linux systems are prey to attack

After having a customer demand I open a couple of ports (against my
stern warnings) to a Linux web server (20,21,23,25), their server was
hacked in less than 29 hours. The net result - They learned a big lesson
(trust the people you hire to do the job right - don't interfere). In
the end it cost about 30 man hours to undo the damage caused.

Anyone that ignores the risks and walks headstrong into a lions den
deserves to get eaten.

Systems are faster and perform tasks without judgment. They are only as
smart as those using them.

I would never put a system in front of a firewall - REGARDLESS. There
are far too many tools available to get the job done right.

Oh, By The Way (BTW)
Yes, you can nail down a Windows system - It's almost unusable, but you
can.
The same is true for almost every O.S. out there.

Danny H. Cox

-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Bardusch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 8:47 AM
To: Marc Suxdorf
Cc: Mike Burden; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: AW: [gb-users] win2K security problems, the facts!

One thing to be aware of in setting up your hypothetical outside the
firewall, up to date patched box of whatever OS -- until it's fully
patched, which in some cases takes multiple reboots, it is fully exposed
and vulnerable while it's downloading the updates and patches.  In that
time frame, a scanning attack might well succeed.

I saw an article a couple of years ago that an unpatched Red Hat install
was rooted in under 30 minutes on average.  Windows would not likely be
too different.  Personally I suggest using the GB Light with default
filters, that does a great job in the vast majority of cases.

Ted Bardusch
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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