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> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003, 2:08 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: gecko digest, Vol 1 #423 - 8 msgs > > Send gecko mailing list submissions to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of gecko digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Uroplatus updates (PetCrazy) > 2. Re: Geckos & Jon in People Mag. (Leann Christenson) > 3. Re: Catching Day Geckos (Melody Hartley) > 4. Misinformation - what can we do about it? (Julie Bergman) > 5. Re: Misinformation - what can we do about it? (Frank Colacicco) > 6. Re: Misinformation - what can we do about it? (Preston Weintraub) > 7. Re: Misinformation - what can we do about it? (Frank Colacicco) > 8. Re: Misinformation - what can we do about it? (Julie Bergman) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 03:01:02 -0400 (EDT) > From: PetCrazy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [gecko]Uroplatus updates > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --0-836809416-1058684462=:6933 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > I know they aren't the largest gecko, and I know this is off tangent...but > either way...I think they'd appreciate and benefit from a little bit more > space (I know that caresheets everywhere, even on Gekkota's web page state you > can keep a trio in a ten gallon). I'm sure plenty of people have kept them > successfully in small tanks, but I'd give them some room...and pleeeeeeeeenty > of time. (All we've got is time) Though please keep in mind this is my > personal opinion and belief it is not written in stone... > > (But then again, I used to keep a lone female leopard gecko in a 35 gallon > tank, and I have baby frog eyed geckos that have their own 35's too) > > Personally, let's put it this way... > > If you were crammed into a small bedroom to live with your partner for the > rest of your life (along with her best friend in this case)...would you really > be in the mood to "get the groove on"? > > (No boys, don't answer that.) > > (May I add it's glass walls and someone keeps coming in to check if anyone has > been knocked up...) > > I think you'd get more on each others nerves then anything else after > awhile... > > I'm sure the photo periods and such have a lot to do with it. Brumation and > I'm sure their diet would play a part, temperatures, hell I'll even say the > tank lay out would have something to do with it. (example: I highly doubt > anyone would have much success with these guys if it was a bare tank, a twig, > and a deli cup with soil in it...they aren't as open to voyeurism as leopard > geckos are) > > 5 months? The secret is patience, you may not see anything for a year (as Neil > mentioned). > > Maybe they're shy, let them get to know each other first =) > > My apologies if my sense of humor bothers people. > > I like to look at the lighter side of things... > > -PC > > > > > --------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals > > --0-836809416-1058684462=:6933 > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > > <DIV><FONT size=2> > <P>I know they aren't the largest gecko, and I know this is off tangent...but > either way...I think they'd appreciate and benefit from a little bit more > space (I know that caresheets everywhere, even on Gekkota's web page state you > can keep a trio in a ten gallon). I'm sure plenty of people have kept them > successfully in small tanks, but I'd give them some room...and pleeeeeeeeenty > of time. (All we've got is time) Though please keep in mind this is my > personal opinion and belief it is not written in stone...</P> > <P>(But then again, I used to keep a lone female leopard gecko in a 35 gallon > tank, and I have baby frog eyed geckos that have their own 35's too)</P> > <P>Personally, let's put it this way...</P> > <P>If you were crammed into a small bedroom to live with your partner for the > rest of your life (along with her best friend in this case)...would you really > be in the mood to "get the groove on"?</P> > <P>(No boys, don't answer that.)</P> > <P>(May I add it's glass walls and someone keeps coming in to check if anyone > has been knocked up...)</P> > <P>I think you'd get more on each others nerves then anything else after > awhile...</P> > <P>I'm sure the photo periods and such have a lot to do with it. Brumation and > I'm sure their diet would play a part, temperatures, hell I'll even say the > tank lay out would have something to do with it. (example: I highly doubt > anyone would have much success with these guys if it was a bare tank, a twig, > and a deli cup with soil in it...they aren't as open to voyeurism as leopard > geckos are)<IMG height=18 > src="http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/03.gif"; width=18></P> > <P>5 months? The secret is patience, you may not see anything for a year (as > Neil mentioned). </P> > <P>Maybe they're shy, let them get to know each other first =)</P> > <P>My apologies if my sense of humor bothers people.</P> > <P>I like to look at the lighter side of things...</P> > <P>-PC</P></FONT></DIV><p><br><hr size=1>Post your free ad now! <a > href="http://ca.personals.yahoo.com/";><b>Yahoo! Canada Personals</b></a><br> > --0-836809416-1058684462=:6933-- > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: "Leann Christenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [gecko]Geckos & Jon in People Mag. > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:08:21 -0500 > Organization: Leaping Lizards Day Geckos > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C34E9E.77B5D370 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Interestingly enough, People Magazine found him through the GGA website. > > Leann Christenson > GGA Gecko Talks > National Reptile Breeders Exposition > August 15, 2003 > http://www.gekkota.com/html/gecko_night_2002.html > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Julie Bergman=20 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 6:35 PM > Subject: Re: [gecko]Geckos & Jon in People Mag. > > > Congrats Jon! How is it that People mag was interested in one of us?=20 > > Julie Bergman > http://www.geckoranch.com > GGA lifetime member > > Leann Christenson wrote: > > Congratulations to Jon Boone for making an appearance in People = > Magazine. > Check out his article in this week's issue (Kennedy's on cover) on = > page 127. > You look great, Jon, and so do all your geckos. Thanks for being a = > good > representative of a responsible and caring keeper. > > Leann Christenson > > GGA Gecko Talks > National Reptile Breeders Exposition > August 15, 2003 > http://www.gekkota.com/html/gecko_night_2002.html > > Membership Secretary, Board of Directors > The Global Gecko Association > www.gekkota.com > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C34E9E.77B5D370 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> > <HTML><HEAD><TITLE></TITLE> > <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type = > content=3Dtext/html;charset=3DISO-8859-1> > <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1126" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> > <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Interestingly enough, People Magazine = > found him=20 > through the GGA website.</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>�</DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Leann Christenson<BR></FONT><FONT = > face=3DArial=20 > size=3D2>GGA Gecko Talks<BR>National Reptile Breeders = > Exposition<BR>August 15,=20 > 2003<BR><A=20 > href=3D"http://www.gekkota.com/html/gecko_night_2002.html";>http://www.gek= > kota.com/html/gecko_night_2002.html</A></FONT></DIV> > <DIV>�</DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>�</DIV> > <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV> > <BLOCKQUOTE=20 > style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = > BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> > <DIV=20 > style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = > black"><B>From:</B>=20 > <A [EMAIL PROTECTED] href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">Julie = > Bergman</A>=20 > </DIV> > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> = > </DIV> > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 18, 2003 = > 6:35 PM</DIV> > <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [gecko]Geckos = > & Jon in=20 > People Mag.</DIV> > <DIV><BR></DIV>Congrats Jon! How is it that People mag was interested = > in one=20 > of us? <BR><BR>Julie Bergman<BR><A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext=20 > = > href=3D"http://www.geckoranch.com";>http://www.geckoranch.com</A><BR>GGA = > lifetime=20 > member<BR><BR>Leann Christenson wrote:<BR> > <BLOCKQUOTE [EMAIL PROTECTED] = > type=3D"cite"> > <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1126" name=3DGENERATOR> > <STYLE></STYLE> > > <DIV>Congratulations to Jon Boone for making an appearance in People = > > Magazine.<BR>Check out his article in this week's issue (Kennedy's = > on cover)=20 > on page 127.<BR>You look great, Jon, and so do all your = > geckos.� Thanks=20 > for being a good<BR>representative of a responsible and caring=20 > keeper.<BR><BR>Leann Christenson<BR><BR>GGA Gecko Talks<BR>National = > Reptile=20 > Breeders Exposition<BR>August 15, 2003<BR><A=20 > = > href=3D"http://www.gekkota.com/html/gecko_night_2002.html";>http://www.gek= > kota.com/html/gecko_night_2002.html</A><BR><BR>Membership=20 > Secretary, Board of Directors<BR>The Global Gecko Association<BR><A=20 > = > href=3D"http://www.gekkota.com";>www.gekkota.com</A></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR= > ></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> > > ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C34E9E.77B5D370-- > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:31:20 -0700 > From: Melody Hartley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [gecko]Catching Day Geckos > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hi all, > > I usually just herd them into a square plastic container, several sizes > are available at craft stores. The square shape is good to fit against > a cage wall or room wall, or in the wall & ceiling corner, a favorite > spot of course ;-) soometimes I can catch the larger Phelsuma just by > putting a cricket or two in the container, they go in to eat, greedy > things! > > For the smaller more elusive ones, I have a trap I made out of a water > bottle (I think I got that idea from this list). Cut the top off and > reverse it into the bottom, so it's a funnel. Bait with bugs. For the > really clever ones, I have to use the funnel that I rigged with a small > piece of elastic that holds a flap over the funnel hole. > > Melody > > Gecko Ranch wrote: > > > > I like Doug's solution too. Night when they are inactive or at least slowed > > down is good. I spray down the terrariums of the higher rocketbutt scaled > ones > > too. Lance, I would try not to grab them directly as their skin tends to > tear > > and direct contact is probably more stressful than indirect. Use a smaller > > fishnet with your Gold Dust-sized Phelsuma. > > > > I catch the smaller Phelsuma by taking small set-ups and putting them in my > > sink. I plug up any drain holes in the sink, then put a large white kitchen > > trash bag in there, then put the terrarium inside the bag. They don't have > > very good traction on clean plastic bags either, and they can't hide on > white. > > Once they get on the bag surface inside, if you have not already caught them > > inside the terrrarium, you can snap the bag up and they will go to the > bottom. > > Catch them in a fold and just put them in the net. It will take a little > > practice to get this. > > > > Julie B. > > > > On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 09:24:10 -0700, Doug Johnston wrote > > > I now transfer all Phelsuma from tank to tank or deli cup in the > > > shower, preferably at night after they've been asleep a while. If > > > they get loose, they are in a place with no hiding places, and a > > > little water sprayed on them on the shower wall slows them down nicely! > > > > > > Lance Woolen wrote: > > > > > > > I've found that at night works well for me. Best when dark, use a flash > > > > light to blind them slowly reach in and GRABBO. Works with all sorts of > > > > critters. I just caught a gold dust that has been running around my > > > > basement for weeks with that technique > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > > From: Cyndy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Date: 7/18/2003 6:14:50 PM > > > > > Subject: [gecko]Catching Day Geckos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am going to refurbish my Grandis home. Any suggestions on how to > catch > > > > them without them throwing their tails? My female is on her third > > > > replacement tail. I read somewhere that they can only regenerate 4 > times. I > > > > may be able to test that theory with this female. She is a Kamakazee > escape > > > > artist. I open the door and she rushes me to get out, about twice a > year. > > > > > Cyndy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Global Gecko Association > > > > > http://www.gekkota.com > > > > > Classifieds > > > > > http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi > > > > > gecko mailing list > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Global Gecko Association > > > > http://www.gekkota.com > > > > Classifieds > > > > http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi > > > > gecko mailing list > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko > > > > > > -- > > > Doug Johnston > > > http://pages.sbcglobal.net/scubadug/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Global Gecko Association > > > http://www.gekkota.com > > > Classifieds > > > http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi > > > gecko mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko > > > > -- > > Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Global Gecko Association > > http://www.gekkota.com > > Classifieds > > http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi > > gecko mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko > > -- > HeartSong Sanctuary - mostly for Asian turtles > http://home.netcom.com/~mhartley/ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:01:32 -0700 > From: Julie Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Organization: Gecko Ranch > To: Gecko List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [gecko]Misinformation - what can we do about it? > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > After my five millionth e-mail with someone trying to get info for a > lizard they have picked up, possibly a gecko, I am going to share with > you my strategy for dealing with this stuff in the hopes we can all do > something to help the situation where irresponsible sellers send off > their customers with no information. I have been working out this type > of reply for a long time and would appreciate any feedback to make this > response better. The names have been changed to protect the misled.;) > > From: Susie Q. Public > > Question: Do you have any info on Wall Geckos? > > Hi Susie, > > You sound like a person who has been taken advantage of. Common names > often lead you nowhere, and without proper id, which means scientific > name, you cannot care for the gecko properly. Wall gecko sounds like > something a pet shop made up. There are literally hundreds of species of > geckos that are capable of sticking to a wall! If you bought this > gecko, go back to the seller and get a care sheet. If they cannot > produce one then you should return the gecko as you have no info to take > care of it. If they cannot give you a caresheet, what information source > were they using to take care of the gecko? They probably just hoped it > would live until someone bought it and took it off their hands. This > often happens with wild caught geckos, which are a poor choice for > novices anyway. They often have parasites, and are often kept improperly > anyway by pet shops. Captive bred is the best way to go, and a leopard > gecko is the best beginner gecko. Sorry if I am right about all this! > > If you are just doing research ahead of buying the gecko (the best way > to do it), go to the Global Gecko Associaton website > http://www.gekkota.com and see if you can identify it there. Try the > genus Gekko for starters. There are some good care sheets on the site > once you have made the id. If you don't see one there then I am happy to > recommend a book or care sheet if I know of one for that particular > gecko. http://www.kingsnake.com and Google search are also ways to find > information. > > Regards, > > Julie Bergman > http://www.geckoranch.com > GGA lifetime member > > Thanks for reading. This situation affects us all. The more we can hold > those accountable that don't give info on their geckos the less they > will be able to do it. The folks not doing their job here don't like to > see geckos returned, that will put a bad taste in their mouth! In > California it is now the law to give out a care sheet with a reptile > sold here. > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:22:07 -0700 > From: "Frank Colacicco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [gecko]Misinformation - what can we do about it? > Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > hello, > > I've come to realize that it is hopeless to expect anyone but the most > interested to know or regonize a latin name. Most dont even know there is such > a thing as a latin name, especially when books are using common names. As > gekkophiles, if we are to want to help novices understand the keeping and care > of geckos, i feel it our responsibility to be aware of the common names in the > "pet trade". For example > Wall Gecko in most circumstances is a Tanentola. More specifically a Tarentola > mauritanica, which is a fairly easy gecko to keep. In a perfect world, pet > shops would have care sheets, locale info, and informed sales people. But they > dont, so if we are going to openly call ourselves gecko enthusiasts, i feel we > need to know both sides of the trade. Just my two cents. > Best wishes > > Frankc > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! > http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > From: "Preston Weintraub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [gecko]Misinformation - what can we do about it? > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:01:54 -0500 > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Here is the difficult part. I have seen T. mauritanica advertised as a > croccodile gecko. I had one for a while that I bought from a pet store. I > did the research to ID the animal. Certainly most people would not have. > > My first guess on a wall gecko was something in the Hemidactylus genus. In > other words, becoming familiar with all of the common names may be a futile > endeaver. Maybe we need to put together a gecko buyer's guide. How we > would distribute it is anyones guess. > > Preston > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Colacicco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 2:22 PM > Subject: Re: [gecko]Misinformation - what can we do about it? > > > > hello, > > > > I've come to realize that it is hopeless to expect anyone but the most > interested to know or regonize a latin name. Most dont even know there is > such a thing as a latin name, especially when books are using common names. > As gekkophiles, if we are to want to help novices understand the keeping and > care of geckos, i feel it our responsibility to be aware of the common names > in the "pet trade". For example > > Wall Gecko in most circumstances is a Tanentola. More specifically a > Tarentola mauritanica, which is a fairly easy gecko to keep. In a perfect > world, pet shops would have care sheets, locale info, and informed sales > people. But they dont, so if we are going to openly call ourselves gecko > enthusiasts, i feel we need to know both sides of the trade. Just my two > cents. > > Best wishes > > > > Frankc > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! > > http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 > > _______________________________________________ > > Global Gecko Association > > http://www.gekkota.com > > Classifieds > > http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi > > gecko mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 13:38:55 -0700 > From: "Frank Colacicco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [gecko]Misinformation - what can we do about it? > Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In Seufer's KEEPING AND BREEDING GECKOS, he refers to pretty much all > tarentola as "wall geckos" Considering this to be one of the first books > completely dedicated to geckos and their husbandry, Im assuming this is where > the pet shop got "wall gecko". Most Hemi's are simply refered to as "house > geckos". But you are right, common names are somtimes rediculous. Ive seen > Cyrtodactylus peguensis marked "leopard gecko" more than once. And god knows > how many names there are for Stenodactylus, i think ive seen about 10. Im > thinking wall gecko, moorish gecko and crocidile gecko are all Tarentola, but > could be completely wrong. But then again ive seen Urocotyledon wolterstorfii > called a "suprise gecko", or a "scansor-tailed gecko", and ive talked to many > "experienced" geckophiles who dont even know what a Urocotyledon is. So, there > is such a staircase, in terms of keepers, and the level of experience, AND > what we consider experience(is breeding Leopard geckos, and ONLY leopard > geckos > fo > r 12 years considered experienced?) that it is next to impossible to hope that > everyone can be on the same page in terms of names, sooo, i have no clue how > to adress the problem, unless common names were completely eliminated. > > Frankc > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! > http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:06:34 -0700 > From: Julie Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Organization: Gecko Ranch > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [gecko]Misinformation - what can we do about it? > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hi Frank, > > Frank Colacicco wrote: > > >hello, > > > >I've come to realize that it is hopeless to expect anyone but the most > interested to know or regonize a latin name. Most dont even know there is such > a thing as a latin name, especially when books are using common names. > > > Books commonly use both if applicable. I don't know of any gecko books > that don't refer to the proper scientific name. Respectfully, novices > need to be weaned from common names as they are often made up by a pet > shop. One gecko I gave as an example of this once, the Pareodura picta, > had about seven common names. Even if the scientific name sounds scary > at least it should be provided at the time of purchase to help the > person find information. The person should be made aware that having a > proper scientific name is a tool for finding info about their gecko. I > think most people would welcome that type of knowledge. Takes the scary > right out of it. > > > As gekkophiles, if we are to want to help novices understand the keeping and > care of geckos, i feel it our responsibility to be aware of the common names > in the "pet trade". > > > This prospect is a taller order than just getting proper id. Most gecko > keepers in our position do make an effort to remember these names. > > > For example > >Wall Gecko in most circumstances is a Tanentola. More specifically a > Tarentola mauritanica, which is a fairly easy gecko to keep. > > > That's nice that you knew this one, if, as Preston points out, it was > correct. That is very nice when we can pass along the correct name and > reference to the proper materials. This does not excuse folks from not > doing this at the time of sale though. I can't think of any reasonable > excuse why a seller would not do this with all the great gecko books > available and care information available through the internet. The GGA > website has a common name list that you can scroll down and get the > proper scientific name for the gecko. Another great tool! > > > In a perfect world, pet shops would have care sheets, > > > In California this is now the law. I hardly call that perfection, but it > is a huge step in the right direction. > > > locale info, and informed sales people. But they dont, so if we are going to > openly call ourselves gecko enthusiasts, i feel we need to know both sides of > the trade. Just my two cents. > >Best wishes > > > >Frankc > > > > > > > Ya, I only know the "other side of the trade" too well. Too often I have > seen first experiences with geckos ruined by lack of proper info. I know > mine were when I was growing up. I see asking the novice gecko owner to > demand proper info as a way to empower them and help discourage those > doing them and the geckos a disservice. Customers have the right to have > the tools to properly care for their gecko. They should know and expect > these rights. It is our responsibility as breeders/sellers to make them > aware of these rights and to tell them when someone has done them > wrong. I certainly have appreciated someone caring enough to tell me > when someone was not treating me right as a customer, in any business. > > Geckos deserve proper care before and after the sale, those folks > sending home new gecko owners without the proper info are likely not > caring for the geckos properly themselves, thus further crippling the > new gecko owner's chances for success. It is a viscious cycle. Let's > give them the info we know, if we are able to, so they can get squared > away with the immediate needs of the gecko, and then let's encourage > them to demand what they need - info! If the seller cannot take the time > to get the info to take care of the gecko and the customer, then they > should sell pet rocks and not geckos! > > Anyone got any other ideas? What can we do about this? There are a lot > of folks who need help out there. > > Julie Bergman > http://www.geckoranch.com > > GGA lifetime member > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Global Gecko Association > http://www.gekkota.com > Classifieds > http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi > gecko mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko > > > End of gecko Digest _______________________________________________ Global Gecko Association http://www.gekkota.com Classifieds http://www.gekkota.com/cgi-gekkota/classifieds.cgi gecko mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.gekkota.com/mailman/listinfo/gecko
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