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Nathan Hall
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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [gecko]Complaints Against Petshops


Again, I expected to be chewed out for posting the last email. I use to also be heavily in herpetoculture until I moved into herpetology and saw the direct effects of the pet trade on fauna. I would like to add to this debate with other information.

1. Yes, I agree that educate is very important, without it, conservation would not be where it is today. Thanks to zoos and people that KNOW what they're doing.

2. An idea that should be considered, for every one person who does know how to keep a pet properly, there might be 5-10 times more people that doesn't know how to take care of one. And there are additional individuals that don't even care if information  is available, all they want to do is buy the animal just for enjoyment. They don't care if it gets sick or dies in the end. They just wanted to buy it for the hell of it. I'll let you do the math of how many animals die from this.

3. Now put the idea of #2, into a petshop environment. The owners' of "BAD" petshops just want to sell the animals. Don't care, just want to sell it for money. Period. Don't care the condition, health, etc of the animal, just sell it.

4. Due to the high demand of herps nowadays in the pet trade, this encourages smugglers to export/import any herp species: common, rare, endangered, etc. As long as there is a demand, people will supply! This includes all animals, birds, mammals, fish, etc. I have worked in zoos where half the herp collection is from confiscation from smugglers.

5. Following up on #4, since there is a demand for herps, this encourages natives to seach and captive these animals for money. Destroying their ecosystems they live in without even knowing. One easy example is saltwater fish trade. If you don't know anything about it, I suggest you to read up on it.

6. Also, for every one wildlfe caught herp you get from a pet shop, five to ten or more of these animal either gets sick or dies in transit to this country. Yes, I know, we have to just buy captive bred animals. But still, before you can get captive bred animals, you need wild caught animals to establish a stable population to bred from. Again, going back to, I'll let you do the math of how many animals died until you finally got that CB animals.

7. Also, imagine your some animals (does matter what you are, anything will do) living in the woods, next thing you know, this guy comes picks you up. Next thing you know, you're stuck in a cage and this person is trying feed you a cricket which you never seen before. From freedom to cage. I'm not a PETA activitist, in fact I hate PETA. But I would like to give that persecptive to all pet owners. Just leave animals in the wild. Mother native takes care of them, not us. I know this sounds stupid and all loving and stuff, but thing about it.

8. Again, back to #7, I constantly read on this list forum about people needing to add vitamins or minerals to their animals diet. If we need to add stuff to the standard cricket we feed to our animals, doesn't it make you wonder what else we are missing? Yes, I know, we have to constantly learn and figure what these animals need but nature takes care of them already. Just leave them there. Don't know how many pet people I seen/met that ended up killing animals because of this.

9. For every individual animal you take out of the population, you are reducing the gene pool. Yes, for some herp species, it doesn't hurt to take animals for the pet trade. REALLY? You mean shrinking the gene pool won't hurt them? You mean decreasing the fighting chance they have won't hurt them from surviving?

10. This is the best answer I get from a lot of herpetoculturist. "Yeah, there's this endangered species, it's about to go extinct. I wish that the government would give me jsut a pair so I can help breed them for conservation." Haha, ok, you bred them in your house, now what? That's doesn't help the population. Just leave them in their environment to bred or a zoo. You breeding doesn't help conservation.

Again, I'll end it here. I can go on and on for days but will cut it short. I started this not to yell or debate with people on this forum. I actually am very impressed and commend everybody on this forum. I also in the past asked questions on this forum, when I started with geckos. The purpose of this email is to share with everybody on this forum what I see and what I have to deal with as a wildlife biologist/herpetologist and be aware of these issues. These issues applies mainly to the pet trade industry of fish, mammals, bird, herps, etc.

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