On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Vladimir Zhbanov <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 12:33:54PM +0200, Roland Lutz wrote: >> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Vladimir Zhbanov ([email protected]) [via >> [email protected]] wrote: >> >xorn was added into master without asking current developers >> >> I did ask [0], and I waited a fair time for feedback before pushing things >> further. Since the situation appeared to have come to a standstill as with >> so many proposed changes, I decided to move forward and merge the changes >> into master. > OK. > 1. You haven't actually ask. You've stated > ======================================================================== > This introduces new dependencies on Python 2.7 and a C++ compiler. For > this reason, I didn't push it directly into master but into a new branch > 'home/rlutz/xorn-integration'. You can merge it into master if the new > dependencies are ok. > ======================================================================== > And the next message on 16.09 was just: > ======================================================================== > Since there haven't been any objections, I pushed it into master. > ======================================================================== > 2. There was no separate topic about it. Since I have not enough time to > get all flood in the geda-user list, I could not read this at the > moment. > 3. You appear to think developers are dead so you neither used the > developer list (OK, you had not been subscribed on it yet), nor > interested if there are any developers, nor filed a bug report on > Launchpad. > >> >> >despite of the objections >> >> Which objections do you refer to? You wrote[1]: > > Here [3] I wrote > ======================================================================== >> Even John Dotty seemed to agree that we need an alternative to scheme.
Ahem.. I said this in the talk about C plugins not in refrence to python. You are confusing me with Roland. Check the link. (I agree with Roland, I just want the citations to be correct) > Yes, yes, I could even agree ;) But not two parallel versions with new > dependencies in one repository. How to support them? How to support > cross-compiling in this case? There is another way. Let's make bindings > for various languages since gobject model allows this. Let's introduce > plugins/modules, and we already have modules in scheme. > ======================================================================== Find me a user of any reasonably current desktop that does not have python. I dislike python and yet I still have it. Besides he added the option to turn off xorn so python is an *optional* dependency. OT: Ok so then why was having plugins in C a bad thing? It added no additional dependencies. > Here [4] > ======================================================================== >> If a particular problem can only be solved by changing some innards, >> then so be it, but the innards change is just a side-effect. > > I don't mind. Just let's do it step by step, saving all the fruit we > already have, not destroying anything in a favour of new tools. > ======================================================================== > >> >> >I'm emerging here as an opponent to you, Roland, John Doty, Kay-Martin and >> >all others, who discourages users from trying to use new Scheme script >> >possibilities Peter Brett have added to the project >> >> I'm definitively not discouraging people to use Scheme. I'm also not trying >> to replace Scheme with Python as you seem to assume > ... >> I'm not "working on the Python branch"; I'm trying to improve gEDA >> inside-out by giving it a solid foundation. > ... >> The easiest way to achieve this would be to write the library in C, so >> it's easy to create bindings for any language. > We already have the lib in C. Let's improve it step by step and add > necessary bindings. > ... >> ... It's just that right >> now, you seem to be the only person seriously opposed to merging xorn/ into >> the main repository, and your point seems to be mainly that you prefer Guile >> to Python. Please, take the time to understand Python and Xorn, as I did >> with Scheme and the Guile interface--it's really not as bad as you think, >> and our ultimate goals aren't that different. > Why should I? Tomorrow another user will say he/she prefers Lua and > merge his/her library into the master branch without asking us. And what > if someone decides to rewrite things in Haskel or bash 8-| Vladimir this is why this thread went off in search of a new project leadership structure. You wanted a group of devs voting. Why don't you subject yourself to your proposed process via a vote on the developers list. >> >> Roland >> >> >> [0] >> http://www.delorie.com/archives/browse.cgi?p=geda-user/2015/09/04/05:00:51 >> [1] >> http://www.delorie.com/archives/browse.cgi?p=geda-user/2015/09/05/17:02:30 >> [2] >> http://www.delorie.com/archives/browse.cgi?p=geda-user/2015/09/05/17:40:22 > > Thanks, > Vladimir > > [3] http://www.delorie.com/archives/browse.cgi?p=geda-user/2015/09/06/03:40:27 > [4] http://www.delorie.com/archives/browse.cgi?p=geda-user/2015/09/06/03:52:34 > > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~geda-developers > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~geda-developers > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Home http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ Work http://forge.abcd.harvard.edu/gf/project/epl_engineering/wiki/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~geda-developers Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~geda-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
