On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 7:16 AM, John Griessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I came across this in a trade magazine, Chip Design, and copy excerpts
> that suggest what the "best of breed" tools can do.  The author sees the
> collection of abilities
> as most valuable, and it seems not to be a copyright conflict to use a
> similar collection of features,
> just common sense.
>
> The parts in quotes are from Clive (Max) Maxfield's article about
> Agilent's
> Advanced Design System 2008 software release:
> http://www.chipdesignmag.com/display.php?articleId=2011&issueId=26
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Does this sound familiar?, "However, the part that really grabbed my
> attention was the fact that
> they've completely revamped the ADS graphical user interface (GUI). The
> reason I'm so interested
> in this area is that I spend so much of my time fighting with interfaces
> for other tools that appear
> to have been created by someone from another planet (or at least, someone
> who has never actually
> used the tool themselves)."
>
> He likes "integration" and "the new three-dimensional (3D)
> representation", both of which we see
> GPL methods for on the horizon.  By integration, I'm pretty sure he means
> interprocess communication, (IPC).
>
> He says, "you control it using the same highly-intuitive usage model as
> for Google Earth",
> which confuses me -- I thought it was flat only...but I'm thinking the
> blender 3D mouse
> GUI is what he is talking about.  He says, "Designs can be "stretched" in
> the vertical dimension as an aid to seeing what's going
> on inside the various planes".   I like the stretch idea for PCB stackup
> viewing.
>
> He notes, "visualization engine also supports the ability to define and
> manipulate "cut-planes".
> That's a thing that might be tough to code, but if any of the 3D
> code/toolkits used to make
> the view supported that, it would be valuable for quickly getting inputs
> for use by a two-D
> field solver.


I've often wanted the ability to unstack and cut through a PCB design like
this. As the article points out, it is only in the last few years that
graphics horsepower has allowed the 3D manipulation that this kind of
display requires.  If PCB could do this (some day) it would be great.


>
> So, that's all it takes today to be "5th ranked in EDA".


Lest we loose sight of the larger picture...   I think it takes a bit more
than this.  The main strength of ADS has (in my opinion) been its ability to
accurately model complex RF an u-wave circuits.  It's biggest drawback has
been the UI and to some extent the documentation.  I'm pleased to see they
finally addressed this shortcoming.  So, it's not as if making a fancy UI
allows you to be "5th ranked" but rather that when you make the UI as good
as the rest of the tool you can have a "5th ranked" solution.

(Full disclosure - I've used this program quite a bit in the past as a
former HP and Agilent employee.)

Joe T

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> John Griessen
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