>[1]http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:pcb_tips?&#how_do_i_edit_change_an_e xisting_footprint
Not a very good tutorial and it does not tell me how to move the positioning diamond. >How do I edit/change an existing footprint? >Copy selection to buffer ([ctrl-c]). The position of the crosshair will >determine the origin of the resulting footprint. Well, that does not make much sense as the crosshair moves. >And I told you that you may use other tools for footprint creation. >I have no intention what your goal is, and for people without real name >I do not care too much. Whatever! Names are optional. I could make up a make up a name, but you really get hung up on a name don't you! I don't care that you don't care! Fine, I won't use a name at all then. On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 5:05 PM, <[2][email protected]> wrote: Send geda-user mailing list submissions to [3][email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit [4]http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [5][email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [6][email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of geda-user digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991 (John Doty) 2. Re: Resistor values? (John Doty) 3. Re: Resistor values? (DJ Delorie) 4. Re: gEDA Wikibook ? (Stefan Salewski) 5. Creating new symbols (Johnny Rosenberg) 6. Re: Creating new symbols (Stephan Boettcher) 7. Re: Creating new symbols (Stefan Salewski) 8. Re: Creating new symbols (Stefan Salewski) 9. Re: Creating new symbols (Stefan Salewski) 10. Moving positioning diamond in PCB ([7][email protected]) 11. Re: Moving positioning diamond in PCB (Stefan Salewski) -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:08:16 -0500 From: John Doty <[8][email protected]> Subject: Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991 To: gEDA user mailing list <[9][email protected]> Message-ID: <[10][email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Dec 23, 2010, at 7:33 PM, Armin Faltl wrote: > >> Of course it is fine when people try to contribute, but some basic >> understanding of concepts may be helpful. >> > my basic understanding is, that text in the title blocks is meant to be as large as it > should be, and that something named A4 should be printed on A4. Everybody's "basic understanding" differs. I'm with Stefan here, but you have different perceptions. That's how it goes with gEDA. With a flexible toolkit, there are going to be many approaches. This is a good thing. John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. [11]http://www.noqsi.com/ [12][email protected] ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:15:17 -0500 From: John Doty <[13][email protected]> Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Resistor values? To: [14][email protected], gEDA user mailing list <[15][email protected]> Message-ID: <[16][email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Dec 23, 2010, at 8:27 PM, kai-martin knaak wrote: > Oh my, a symbol without a value attribute! > I forgot, just how light the default library symbols are. > Can anyone point me to a reason? Why do we distribute the > default library in such a crippled state? Because the default library is a mixed bag of symbols created by various people at various times in support of various design flows? > Yes, a default > library can only be a starting point and cannot fit > everybody's needs. But does the starting point really > have to be so poor that it fits virtually nobody's needs Well, I was using the valueless passive symbols quite a bit yesterday. But I guess I'm "virtually nobody". John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. [17]http://www.noqsi.com/ [18][email protected] ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 12:53:23 -0500 From: DJ Delorie <[[email protected]> Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Resistor values? To: gEDA user mailing list <[20][email protected]> Cc: [21][email protected], [22][email protected] Message-ID: <[23][email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 "Johnny Rosenberg" <[24][email protected]> writes: > Sorry for my ignorance (English is not my main language), but what does > ?footprint? mean in this situation? I know the word, just not what it > means in this case? "Getting Started with PCB" has a list of terms. I have a copy online here: [25]http://www.delorie.com/pcb/docs/gs/gs.html#Terminology footprint A footprint is the pattern on a circuit board to which your parts are attached. This includes all copper, silk, solder mask, and paste information. In other EDA programs, this may be referred to as a ?land pattern?. ?Footprint? sometimes is used to refer to a footprint file. ?Footprint? refers to the pattern; ?element? refers to the instance. For example, your layout might have four elements that use one footprint. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 20:28:27 +0100 From: Stefan Salewski <[26][email protected]> Subject: Re: gEDA-user: gEDA Wikibook ? To: [27][email protected], gEDA user mailing list <[28][email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 16:20 +0100, kai-martin knaak wrote: > > I have to agree with timecop on this issue: The problem that > needs to be solved, is not connected to the file format. It > about finding authors. This is the big benefit of the wikibook > concept. The entry barrier is as low as it can possibly get. > Contribution is allowed to literally everyone. Click on the > edit button and go ahead. Not even login with a fake name > necessary. Wikimedia provides an environment where this > approach works. > > ---<)kaimartin(>-- Not always a "low entry barrier" is a real benefit. In the technical world, there are good reasons for the use of uncommon screws, so that fools can not open dangerous devices. In the Internet world: Nearly all people now have access to information, this is great. But so many seems to think that they have to add silly content everywhere -- newsgroups, Internet platforms, blogs, facebook, all filled with silly stupid stuff, the same questions and comments again and again, more than one typo in each line, written without any grammar from people without real names. I really try to get not in close contact with all that dirt, but sometimes you have a problem which wikipedia can not explain, you have to do a google search and gets all that dirt before useful content. Often I have seen people new to a project, they were exited and started a tutorial about that... Some weeks later they discovered how much work it is, they stop working on it, but often the pages with headlines but no contents remain for years in the net. But my conclusion is not, that a fully open wiki is a bad idea for gEDA -- I am not sure. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 20:34:37 +0100 From: "Johnny Rosenberg" <[29][email protected]> Subject: gEDA-user: Creating new symbols To: "[30][email protected]" <[31][email protected]> Message-ID: <op.vn8gnzrrxqd...@pb-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes At [32]http://www.geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial the following is written: ?When all the edits are done, it's very important when editing symbols to do a Edit?Symbol Translate to zero before saving. Do that and then save the symbol with File?Save Page? My problem is that there is no ?Save Page? in the File menu. -- Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:16:18 +0100 From: Stephan Boettcher <[33][email protected]> Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Creating new symbols To: gEDA user mailing list <[34][email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 "Johnny Rosenberg" <[35][email protected]> writes: > At [36]http://www.geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial the following > is written: > > ?When all the edits are done, it's very important when editing symbols > to do a Edit?Symbol Translate to zero before saving. Do that and then > save the symbol with File?Save Page? > > My problem is that there is no ?Save Page? in the File menu. File->Save But first it is important to recognize that there is a difference between editing a symbol, and editing a schematic with a symbal instance and instance attributes. Until now we were talking about editing a symbol instance in a schematic. To make a new symbol version, you must open the symbol file itself. You can do that by selcting the symbol in a schematic and do Hierachy->Down Symbol (Shift-H s) You will discover, that the symbol still has no value attibute. You can add it in the symbol file. The value attribute must be promoted when the symbol is instantiated. There are (not so?) complex rules which attibutes get promoted, and which not. I think, a visible, unattached attribute, called _value_ will be promoted. N.B., this is a dark side of gschem in my oppinion. Which attibutes get promoted should be defined in the symbols, independently of visibility or any strange configuration settings. After adding the attibute, "value=?" with proper placement and alignment, you can do File->Save_As to save the new symbol in your own symbol collection. Edit->Symbol_Translate will probably not be required, if you just do a minor modification to an existing symbol. Then you go back to your schematic, Hierachy->Up (Shift-H u) and delete the old symbol instance, and replace it with an instance of your own. How to reload the available symbols from a running gschem? I don't know. Usually I restart gschem, to reread the available symbols. You'll first need to add the location of your own symbol collection to the search path in .gafrc or something. -- Stephan ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:24:51 +0100 From: Stefan Salewski <[37][email protected]> Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Creating new symbols To: gEDA user mailing list <[38][email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 22:16 +0100, Stephan Boettcher wrote: > > File->Save > > But first it is important Some of your fine explanations may be already at [39]http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:gschem_symbol_creation ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:33:26 +0100 From: Stefan Salewski <[40][email protected]> Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Creating new symbols To: gEDA user mailing list <[41][email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 22:24 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: > On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 22:16 +0100, Stephan Boettcher wrote: > > > > > File->Save > > > > But first it is important > > Some of your fine explanations may be already at > > [42]http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:gschem_symbol_creation > More is here: [43]http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:faq-gschem#gschem_symbols And how we can use our own libraries may be explained here: [44]http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:faq-gschem#gschem_configuration_c ustomization Really not too bad. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:43:55 +0100 From: Stefan Salewski <[45][email protected]> Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Creating new symbols To: gEDA user mailing list <[46][email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 20:34 +0100, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: > At [47]http://www.geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial the following is > written: > > ?When all the edits are done, it's very important when editing symbols to > do a Edit?Symbol Translate to zero before saving. And that is a real problem. gschem should really be able to to this automatically when saving symbols. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 16:37:49 -0800 From: [48][email protected] Subject: gEDA-user: Moving positioning diamond in PCB To: [49][email protected] Message-ID: <[50][email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was wondering if someone could tell me how to move the positioning diamond in PCB or how to move the the foot print itself so it is centered over the diamond. Usually, I have to take several hours to move everything in the *.fp file itself. Z.K. -------------- next part -------------- I was wondering if someone could tell me how to move the positioning diamond in PCB or how to move the the foot print itself so it is centered over the diamond. Usually, I have to take several hours to move everything in the *.fp file itself. Z.K. ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 02:04:20 +0100 From: Stefan Salewski <[51][email protected]> Subject: Re: gEDA-user: Moving positioning diamond in PCB To: gEDA user mailing list <[52][email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 16:37 -0800, [53][email protected] wrote: > I was wondering if someone could tell me how to move the positioning > diamond in PCB or how to move the the foot print itself so it is > centered over the diamond. Usually, I have to take several hours to > move everything in the *.fp file itself. > Z.K. Kai-Martin gave you the link how you can make footprints from inside of PCB: [54]http://geda.seul.org/wiki/geda:pcb_tips?&#how_do_i_edit_change_a n_existing_footprint >How do I edit/change an existing footprint? >Copy selection to buffer ([ctrl-c]). The position of the crosshair will >determine the origin of the resulting footprint. And I told you that you may use other tools for footprint creation. 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