Adrian,

Some more inline comments, only on things that are still open, --David

> > Section 4.1
> >
> > The discussion of limits on proactive OAM loading should probably
> > explicitly say that reactive OAM (dealing with something that has
gone
> > wrong) may violate these limits (i.e., cause visible traffic
> > degradation) if that's necessary or useful to try to fix whatever
has
> > gone wrong.
> 
> Can you explain your point please? When you say "may" do you mean that
in 
> your opinion reactive OAM is allowed to cause LSRs to be overwhelmed.
I 
> can't honestly say that would be a good idea because an overwhelmed
LSR will 
> not be able to do anything constructive.
> 
> I am also confused as to why you suggest placing this text in section
4.1. 
> This section is about detecting defects. That is, it is about
proactive OAM 
> only. Section 4.2 is about diagnosis. We could, I suppose, add a
similar 
> requirement to section 4.2 (that is, diagnostic OAM similarly MUST NOT

> overwhelm an LSR). Would that be OK?

The concern I have is that that the draft defines "overwhelmed" to
include
any condition in which the advertised rate or data rate cannot be
sustained.
That puts proactive OAM traffic into a fairly tight box, which is fine -
if
nothing is broken, interference with real traffic ought to be avoided.
OTOH,
when something has gone wrong, the advertised rate or data rate may
already
be history, and a requirement not to degrade it further may be
ill-advised
(e.g., that could prohibit use of LSP Ping, which would probably be
wrong).

So, part of my concern is that **if** "overwhelmed" is defined as
inability
to support the advertised rate or data rate **then** I don't agree that
"an
overwhelmed LSR will not be able to do anything constructive."  The LSR
and/or
affected interface(s) may be able to function in a degraded mode of some
sort.

With that as context, Section 4.2 would be a fine place to say that it
is
ok for reactive OAM traffic to introduce further degradation in the hope
of determining what is wrong and getting it fixed, but that degradation
should be limited, so as not to make things significantly worse.
 
> > Also, a wording nit:
> >
> >   In practice, of course, the requirements in the previous paragraph
> >   may be overcome by careful specification of the anticipated data
> >   throughput of LSRs or data links,
> >
> > "overcome" --> "satisfied" or "met"
> 
> The point is that the requirements are not satisfied or met by this
process. 
> Perhaps "avoided" would be an acceptable word?

In that case, the whole paragraph needs a rewrite.  I think this is
about
providing "headroom" for proactive OAM traffic between the sum of the
advertised rates and the actual (physical?) rate limit of the interface,
but the current text is not clear enough (i.e., which requirements?) for
me to be sure.

Thanks,
--David
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