Cullen, thx for the reply, will respond to you shortly.

alice
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cullen Jennings (fluffy) 
> Sent: Monday, 21 August, 2006 17:17
> To: Maria A. Dos Santos (mariados)
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jari Arkko; Mark Townsley 
> (townsley); Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
> Subject: Re: Latest updates : draft-ietf-l2tpext-pwe3-ethernet-08.txt
> 
> 
> My apologies - I did not realize there was text for me in 
> this email till I got the ping today :-) More inline ...
> 
> On Aug 4, 2006, at 12:03 PM, Maria A. Dos Santos ((mariados)) wrote:
> 
> 
>       
>       
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>       *Cullen Jennings:*
>       *Discuss:*
>          *[2006-07-05]* I may not understand the congestion 
> control technique but 
>          it looks like it says,  "in case of congestion, pull 
> the plug". I don't 
>          believe anyone will implement this congestion 
> control suggestions - and 
>          if they do, I don't believe the resulting systems 
> will be usable - they 
>          will be impossible to manage not to mention the 
> incredible DOS 
>          opportunities. No advice on the threshold is 
> provided. I think this 
>          needs to be updated to either be clear no congestion 
> control is provided.
>        
>       From what I understand, the draft is inline with the 
> current state of congestion
>       control for emulation technologies, and PWE3 WG is 
> currently conducting 
>       further study on the topic.  Once we get the result of 
> that, this draft
>       and all other pwe drafts (both l2tp and mpls) will 
> leverage from that
>       mechanism.  So at this point, the goal of the 
> "Congestion Control" section 
>       in this draft is only to emphasize the possibility of 
> congestion and provide
>       some general best-effort recovery mechanisms.  Would it 
> be better if I emphasize
>       the goal?
> 
> 
> I'd have no problem with something along the lines of: 
> 
> This specification offers no congestion control and is not 
> TCP friendly <add ref to where TCP Friendly is define>. 
> Future works, such as <insert non normative reference that 
> will not block your document>, may extend this to provide 
> congestion control.
> 
> 
>       
>        
>       I am not sure what general default threshold is 
> appropriate given that the threshold will
>       vary according to network size and average traffic load 
> of individual network.  That's why
>       it is left undefined and left to administrator to experiment.
> 
> 
> Hmm - I know something about networks and I have no idea how 
> I would set up the parameters such that they would work and 
> not mess up other protocols on the same network. I understand 
> that how you might want the parameters on a satellite link, 
> vs a corporate switched LAN, to be somewhat different. I view 
> the problem with selecting numbers here is that no matter 
> what you pick, it is clear many people will disagree with it 
> and there will be cases where it does not work. That is 
> typically a sign that algorithm might be less than ideal 
> regardless of the parameters. However, if we are agreed that 
> for practical deployments and implementation, we expect that 
> PWE will not have automated congestion control, then I have 
> no real problem with the text you have here and we can just 
> ignore trying to figure out if this provides enough advice 
> that anyone will be able to get something that works. 
> 
> 
>       
>        
>          The section titled "Applicability Statement" gives 
> me no idea where this 
>          is applicable and where it is not.
>        
>       Would you mind elaborating what information are you 
> expecting here?
>        
> 
> 
> I might have this wrong but talking to people I get the idea 
> that the expectation is that this protocol will be used 
> across the public internet  as well as private networks and 
> will be used for many things including forming virtual 
> network connection between remote offices for enterprises. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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