I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft, currently on an IESG telechat agenda.

Summary: This draft is ready for publication as an Informational RFC.

Comments: the two "Spencer/Problem:" items from my 04 review have been fixed. I don't think any of the other items from that review have been accepted, but they weren't showstoppers, and the RFC Editor can catch items like "Existing solutions for localized mobility management fall into three classes:" with only two items in the list that follows, I guess.

Thanks,

Spencer

From: "Spencer Dawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Gen-art] Gen-ART Review of draft-ietf-netlmm-nohost-ps-04


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Summary: This document is almost ready for publication as an Informational RFC, but two problems (larger than nits) need to be fixed. They are tagged as "Spencer/Problem:", and appear in Sections 1.1 and 3.1. Both should be fixable using RFC Editor notes, if no further revision of the document is produced.

Other comments are included for the document editor and RFC editor's convenience, but aren't part of the Gen-ART review.

Thanks,

Spencer

 Abstract

Spencer: "makes a case for network-based local mobility management" just seems odd in a problem statement Abstract (would have made more sense in the requirements draft). "and presents a "Problem Statement" based on the identified shortcomings of previous solutions." maybe? But the Introduction does a much better job of describing what's being done here.

    Localized mobility management is a well understood concept in the
    IETF with a number of solutions already available. This document
    looks at the principal shortcomings of the existing solutions, all
    of which involve the host in mobility management, and makes a case
    for network-based local mobility management.

 Contributors

Spencer: including this section is quite nice. I wish IESG would encourage the convention (we sure don't have "one way" of handling more than 5 authors in common practice).

    Gerardo Giaretta, Kent Leung, Katsutoshi Nishida, Phil Roberts, and
    Marco Liebsch all contributed major effort to this document. Their
    names are not included in the authors' section due to the RFC
    Editor's limit of 5 names.

 1.0  Introduction

    Localized mobility management has been the topic of much work in
    the IETF. The experimental protocols developed from previous work,
    namely FMIPv6 [1] and HMIPv6 [2], involve host-based solutions that
    require host involvement at the IP layer similar to or in addition
    to that required by Mobile IPv6 [3] for global mobility management.

Spencer: "or in addition to" seems distracting. I think the sentence would be just as helpful, and more readable, without it.

    However,  recent  developments  in  the  IETF  and  the  WLAN
    infrastructure market suggest that it may be time to take a fresh
    look at localized mobility management.

 1.1 Terminology

         Local Mobility (revised)
           Local Mobility is mobility over an access network. Note
           that, although the area of network topology over which the
           mobile node moves may be restricted, the actual geographic
           area could be quite large, depending on the mapping between
           the network topology and the wireless coverage area.

Spencer/Problem: I wish this definition explicitly said whether there was any relationship between an access network and an IP subnet - this is pretty fundamental to understanding the problem being targeted in this document, and at this point in the document, I'm guessing - so if I guess wrong, I may be confused for a while. I think I can figure this out based on the "Intra-Link Mobility" definition further down, but again - I'm guessing.

 2.0  The Local Mobility Problem

    The local mobility problem is restricted to providing IP mobility
    management for mobile nodes within an access network. The access
    network gateways function as aggregation routers. In this case,
    there is no specialized routing protocol (e.g. GTP, Cellular IP,
    Hawaii, etc.) and the routers form a standard IP routed network
    (e.g. OSPF, IS-IS, RIP, etc.). This is illustrated in Figure 1,
    where the access network gateway routers are designated as "ANG".
    Transitions  between  service  providers  in  separate  autonomous
    systems or across broader topological "boundaries" within the same
    service provider are excluded.

Spencer: again, I'm not yet sure of the relationship between subnets and access networks, so struggling with "topological" in this sentence.

 3.1 Large Campus

    One  scenario  where  localized  mobility  management  would  be
    attractive is a large campus wireless LAN deployment.  Having a
    single broadcast domain for all WLAN access points doesn't scale
    very well.  Also, sometimes parts of the campus cannot be covered
    by one VLAN for other reasons (e.g., some links are other than
    802.3).

Spencer/Problem: extremely confused here. (1) is it 802.3, or 802.1 (where VLANs live)? (2) is it 802.3, or 802.11/16/other wireless? (3) Are you telling me something about VLAN support across 802 MAC variations, or something else? I'm just too scrambled to suggest text, but something needs help here.

 3.2 Advanced Cellular Network

    Next generation cellular protocols such as 802.16e [8] and Super
    3G/3.9G [9] have the potential to run IP deeper into the access
    network than the current 3G cellular protocols, similar to today's
    WLAN networks. This means that the access network can become a
    routed IP network. Interoperable localized mobility management can
    unify local mobility across a diverse set of wireless protocols all
    served by IP, including advanced cellular, WLAN, and personal area
    wireless  technologies  such  as  UltraWide  Band  (UWB)  [10]  and
    Bluetooth [11]. Localized mobility management at the IP layer does
    not  replace  Layer  2  mobility  (where  available)  but  rather
    complements it. A standardized, interoperable localized mobility

Spencer: the "Localized mobility management" sentence just previously is VERY helpful, and should appear much sooner in the document.

    management protocol for IP can remove the dependence on IP layer
    localized mobility protocols that are specialized to specific link
    technologies or proprietary, which is the situation with today's 3G
    protocols. The expected benefit is a reduction in maintenance cost
    and deployment complexity. See [6] for a more detailed discussion
    of the goals for a network-based localized mobility management
    protocol.

 4.0  Problems with Existing Solutions

    Existing solutions for localized mobility management fall into
    three classes:

Spencer: but only two are listed - which way is the counting mistake?

    The dedicated localized mobility management IETF protocols for
    Solution 1 are not yet widely deployed, but work continues on
    standardization.  Some  Mobile  IPv4  deployments  use  localized
    mobility management. For Solution 1, the following are specific
    problems:

Spencer: It's not obvious that this section has subsections, but it does (one for Solution 1, another for Solution 2). Suggest adding headings like "4.1 Problems with Host-based Localized Mobility Management", '4.2 Problems with Link-specific Localized Mobility Management", and "4.3 Rationale for an Interoperable, Standardized Localized Mobility Management Protocol" for ease of scanning. But it does not help that both Solution 1 and Solution 2 are "buried" in the leadoff paragraphs (in this case, not mentioned until the third sentence).

    1) Interoperable IP level protocols that require changes to the
       mobile node's IP stack and handle localized mobility management
       as a service provided to the mobile node by the access network,
    2) Link specific or proprietary protocols that handle localized
       mobility for any mobile node but only for a specific type of
       link layer, namely 802.11 running on an 802.3 wired network
       backhaul.

    The dedicated localized mobility management IETF protocols for
    Solution 1 are not yet widely deployed, but work continues on
    standardization.  Some  Mobile  IPv4  deployments  use  localized

Spencer: a reference for "work continues on standardization" would be helpful here.

    mobility management. For Solution 1, the following are specific
    problems:

    1) The host stack software requirement limits broad usage even if
       the modifications are small. The success of WLAN switches
       indicates that network operators and users prefer no host stack

Spencer: "users prefer" seems way overstated. "deploy solutions that do not require host stack software modifications more quickly and easily"?

       software modifications. This preference is independent of the
       lack of widespread Mobile IPv4 deployment, since it is much
       easier to deploy and use the network.
    2) Future mobile nodes may choose other global mobility management
       protocols, such as HIP or MOBIKE. The existing localized
       mobility management solutions all depend on Mobile IP or
       derivatives.
    3) Existing localized mobility management solutions do not support
       both IPv4 and IPv6.
    4) Existing host-based localized mobility management solutions
       require setting up additional security associations with network
       elements in the access domain.

 6.0  Security Considerations

    Localized mobility management has certain security considerations,
    one of which - need for access network to mobile node security -
    was touched on in this document. Host-based localized mobility
    management protocols have all the security problems involved with
    providing a service to a host. Network-based localized mobility
    management requires security among network elements equivalent to
    what is needed for routing information security, and security
    between the host and network equivalent to what is needed for
    network access, but no more. A more complete discussion of the
    security goals for network-based localized mobility management can
    be found in [6].

Spencer: Hmm. The corresponding section in [6] is just a little longer than this one, so I'm not sure I see the point of having two security considerations sections that are both so short, with one pointing to the other, but not saying the same things, in two documents that are going through approval at roughly the same time. My suggestion is to pick one document, put all the text in it, and have the other point to it without editorializing.


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