Hello,

We will address David's comments. Shall we just propose modified text or
also produce a new draft version?

telemaco

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Jari Arkko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks for your review. Authors, could you respond to David's comments, and
> possibly suggest revisions of your text based on them?
>
> Jari
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer
>> for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see
>> http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html).
>> Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you
>> may receive.
>>
>> Document: draft-ietf-mipshop-mstp-solution-06
>> Reviewer: David L. Black
>> Review Date: September 18, 2008
>> IETF LC End Date: September 18, 2008
>>
>> Summary:
>> This draft is on the right track, but has open issues, described
>> in the review.
>>
>> Comments:
>>
>> This is a generally well-written draft about mobility handoff
>> discovery and transport.  I found a number of things that need
>> attention, but none of these appear to be show-stoppers.  The
>> primary open issues are in Section 6 on Transport Options.
>>
>> Section 3 should discuss relationship to deployment scenarios
>> in Section 4 of RFC 5164.  I believe this draft covers the
>> IP transport portions of the scenarios described in
>> Sections 4.1 and 4.2 of RFC 5164.
>>
>> The following paragraph at the end of Section 5 should also
>> be summarized in the Security Considerations section:
>>
>>   It should be noted that authorization of a MN to use a specific MoS
>>   server is neither in scope of this document nor is currently
>>   specified in [IEEE80221].  We further assume all devices can access
>>   discovered MoS.  In case future deployments will implement
>>   authorization policies the mobile nodes should fall back to other
>>   learned MoS if authorization is denied.
>>
>> Section 5.2 says:
>>
>>   To discover an MoS in the visited network, the MN SHOULD attempt to
>>   use the DHCP options for MoS discovery
>>
>> No other alternative is described.  Why is this a "SHOULD"
>> requirement instead of "MUST"?  Is it possible that the MN doesn't
>> know whether it's in a home vs. visited network, but wants to find
>> an MoS in whatever network it's attached to?
>>
>> The message size discussion in Section 6.1 seems rather cavalier
>> about problems caused by large messages.  The following line of
>> reasoning appears to be implicit in Section 6.1 and should be
>> made explicit:
>> - IP fragmentation SHOULD NOT be used (e.g. consequences of loss
>>        of one IP fragment that are already described).  RFC 4963
>>        can be cited as a reason to completely disable IP
>>        fragmentation if that's helpful.
>> - That leaves a choice between TCP and UDP.
>> - Messages larger than the PMTU size cannot use UDP (there's
>>        already a MUST for a message size limit).
>> - Therefore messages large than the PMTU size SHOULD use TCP.
>>
>> The last paragraph of Section 6.1 criticizes TCP on the grounds
>> of latency and possible splitting of a higher level message across
>> segments.  SCTP (RFC 4960) addresses both of these problems, and
>> therefore needs to be mentioned and cited, but it's probably ok to
>> set SCTP aside as not widely deployed in the infrastructure and
>> devices to which this document applies (i.e., absence of "running
>> code").
>>
>> Section 6.2 on message frequency says:
>>
>>   On the other hand, if UDP
>>   is used, a rate-limiting effect similar to the one obtained with TCP
>>   may be obtained by adequately adjusting the parameters of a token
>>   bucket regulator as defined in the MIH specifications [IEEE80221].
>>
>> This is important - I think that "may" ought to be a "SHOULD".
>>
>> One of the recommendations for parameter adjustment is:
>>
>>   o  If MIHF knows the RTT, the rate can be based upon this
>>
>> Explain how to base the rate on the RTT, and what "knows the RTT"
>> means in the presence of congestion-induced delays.
>>
>> Section 6.3 on retransmission says:
>>
>>   The default
>>   number of retransmissions is set to 2 and retransmissions are
>>   controlled by a timer with a default value of 10s.
>> Those values appear to be reasonable.  Please say that they SHOULD
>> be used, possibly with some qualification involving network-specific
>> characteristics.
>>
>> In Section 6.5, given that IS messages are the main (only?) source
>> of large messages and IS messages do not have tight latency
>> requirements that favor UDP for CS and ES messages, would it be
>> appropriate to say that TCP SHOULD be used for IS messages?
>>
>> The operational scenario in Section 7 is useful, but the diagram
>> size is enormous (over a page).  Would it be reasonable to shrink
>> it to fit on one page by combining each MIH User - MIHF interaction
>> into the line for the communication that the interaction is part of?
>>
>> Section 8 mentions "underlying link layer security".  Please provide
>> an example (an IEEE 802 example would be very relevant).
>>
>> idnits 2.09.00 found a couple of possible nits.  These are minor, as
>> the dns-discovery draft is intended for standards track:
>>
>>  == Outdated reference: A later version (-05) exists of
>>     draft-ietf-mipshop-mos-dhcp-options-03
>>
>>  -- Possible downref: Normative reference to a draft: ref.
>>     'I-D.ietf-mipshop-mos-dns-discovery'  (No intended status found in
>> state
>>     file of draft-ietf-mipshop-mos-dns-discovery)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --David
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> David L. Black, Distinguished Engineer
>> EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA  01748
>> +1 (508) 293-7953             FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]        Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754
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