Thomas,

That looks good to me. Thanks!

   Brian

On 2009-02-13 03:37, Thomas Schierl wrote:
> Hi Brian,
> 
> we think that such a modification in section 6.1 makes sense:
> 
> Please find a possible modification of the text below:
> 
> 
> original text:
>   In the first case, if the original sender of the offer still wishes
>    to establish communications, it SHOULD generate a new offer with a
>    single media stream that represents an Operation Point.  Note: in
>    most cases, this will be the base layer of a layered Media Bitstream,
>    equally possible are Operation Points containing a set of enhancement
>    layers as long as all are part of a single media stream.  In the
>    second case, if the sender of the offer still wishes to establish the
>    session, it SHOULD re-try the request with an offer including only a
>    single media stream.
> 
> new text:
>    In the *case (1)*, if the original sender of the offer still wishes
>    to establish communications, it SHOULD generate a new offer with a
>    single media stream that represents an Operation Point.  Note: in
>    most cases, this will be the base layer of a layered Media Bitstream,
>    equally possible are Operation Points containing a set of enhancement
>    layers as long as all are part of a single media stream.  *
> In case (2), if the sender of the original offer has identified that the 
> refusal 
> to the request
>   is caused by the use of DDP grouping, and*
>    if the sender still wishes to establish the
>    session, it SHOULD re-try the request with an offer including only a
>    single media stream.
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Thomas
> 
> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> Thomas,
>>
>> On 2009-02-06 02:14, Thomas Schierl wrote:
>>   
>>> Hi Brian,
>>>
>>> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>>     
>>>> Hi Thomas,
>>>>
>>>> On 2009-02-04 22:24, Thomas Schierl wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>       
>>>>> Dear Brian, all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian, thanks a lot for carrying out the review!
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are our replies:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. We do not think that it is required for the offerer to find out, why
>>>>> the offer has been rejected. At least we do not know any context where
>>>>> the reason for rejecting an offer is indicated.
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>> Maybe I should be more precise about my question. You say that when the
>>>> sender receives:
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>       
>>>>>> (2) with a refusal to the request (e.g., 488
>>>>>>    Not acceptable here or 606 Not acceptable in SIP).
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>           
>>>> then
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>       
>>>>>>   In the
>>>>>>   second case, if the sender of the offer still wishes to establish the
>>>>>>   session, it SHOULD re-try the request with an offer including only a
>>>>>>   single media stream.
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>           
>>>> I don't understand  how the sender decides that it is in this case
>>>> rather than any other reason for receiving a Not acceptable reponse.
>>>> Is it supposed to *guess* that the reason is the use of DDP? I don't
>>>> know what IF statement I would need, if I was writing code for the
>>>> sender.
>>>> The problem would not arise if there was a specific "DDP Not acceptable"
>>>> response.
>>>>   
>>>>       
>>> Ok, I got it now. What would be an appropriate way forward here?
>>> Removing the part "In the second case ..."? Or refining the language,
>>> saying something like: if the sender has identified, that only "DDP" can
>>> be the problem, then ...
>>>     
>>
>> Something like that. If I was implementing this, I guess I would end up
>> with some logic like this:
>>
>> IF response=="Not acceptable" AND DDP_sent==TRUE
>>    THEN try again without DDP
>>    ELSE report failure
>>
>> My concern is that a junior programmer reading your document
>> might not reach the correct solution without some extra words.
>>
>>     Brian
>>
>>   
>>> Thanks,
>>> Thomas
>>>     
>>>>  
>>>>       
>>>>> 2. "Aforementioned" can be removed in RFC editor processing (AUTH48), or
>>>>> IESG note.
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>> Thanks
>>>>  
>>>>       
>>>>> 3. DDP and RDMA in the RFC4296 sense are about as far away technically
>>>>> than it gets from SDP signaling.  Confusion is, in our opinion,
>>>>> unlikely.  Can we ask the MMUSIC chairs and Cullen for guidance here?
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>> Sure. I have no strong feeling about this.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>     Brian
>>>>  
>>>>       
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>   
>>>>       
>>
>>
>>   
> 
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