Hi, Dan,

I wouldn't want the router/NAT/firewall/SBC to enforce
application-specific policies.  I think that is actually
the root cause of the problem and that box needs to be
made transparent.

I read through the policy framework that you linked to,
and I understand the motivation of some service providers
to attempt to control attached endpoints.  I happen to
think it is misguided to attempt to do so.

-Pete

Dan Petrie wrote:
> Hi Peter:
> 
> I think that Gonzalo covered this, but here is my view on the
> local-network profile. 
> 
> The whole point of the local-network profile is so that the SIP UA
> can figure out how to make things work.  Sure a
> router/NAT/firewall/SBC can enforce policies, but that does not help
> the UA make things work or figure out what is allowed or preferred. 
> How does it get out to the big I Internet?  A SIP UA is not so
> interesting if it can only make local calls.  The point is to figure
> out the recommended technology to traverse the NAT/firewall, what
> media types and/or bandwidth is preferred in the local network.       
> 
> Basically session independent policy is dependent upon the
> local-network profile
> (http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-sip-session-policy-framework-06.txt).
> I expect there is some good text rationale in some of the policy
> discussion threads on the email list as well as in the policy draft
> for this.  There is also an old expired policy requirements draft
> that may reiterate the rationale.      
> 
> Cheers,
> Dan
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 12/22/09, McCann Peter-A001034 <[email protected]>
> wrote: 
> 
>> From: McCann Peter-A001034 <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-sipping-config-framework-16
>> To: [email protected],
>> [email protected]
>> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 5:30 PM I have been selected as the
>> General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviewer for this draft (for
>> background on Gen-ART, please see
>> http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html
>> <http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html> ).
>> 
>> Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call
>> comments you may receive. 
>> 
>> Document: draft-ietf-sipping-config-framework-16
>> Reviewer: Pete McCann
>> Review Date: 2009-12-22
>> IETF LC End Date: 2009-12-24
>> IESG Telechat date: unknown
>> 
>> Summary: One big issue to discuss
>> 
>> Major issues:
>> 
>> I don't understand why the local network needs to be involved in SIP
>> provisioning.  The end-to-end principle should dictate that SIP is an
>> application that runs transparently over intervening networks.
>> 
>> From Section 3.2:
>>    In such cases, local
>>    network providers may wish to provide local network information
>> such    as bandwidth constraints to the devices.
>> Why should the bandwidth constraints applicable to SIP be any
>> different from the bandwidth constraints applied to any other
>> application? 
>> 
>> I suggest dropping the local-network profile type.
>> 
>> Minor issues:
>> 
>> Figure 5 is confusing: it shows user A obtaining service before user
>> A's profile is downloaded.  Similar for user B.  Shouldn't the
>> profile be downloaded to the kiosk before service is provided?
>> 
>> Section 5.2.1:
>>    Additionally, the device MUST
>> authenticate the PDS
>>    to ensure that it is obtaining sensitive profile data from a valid
>>    PDS, except in the bootstrapping
>> scenario.
>> Why not in the bootstrapping scenario?  That seems to be the most
>> critical operation. 
>> 
>> 
>> Nits/editorial comments:
>> 
>> Section 5.1.4.2:
>>    it MUST be
>>    use
>> SHOULD BE:
>>    it MUST use
>> 
>> Section 9:
>>    The framework specified in this documents
>> 
>> SHOULD BE:
>>    The framework specified in this document
>> 
>> Section 9.1:
>>    in the absence TLS
>> SHOULD BE:
>>    in the absence of TLS

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