Hi Sriram, Terry.

The new draft covers almost everything in the review and is fine with
one exception.

On ree-reading the draft and Terry's reponse to my original comment
about 'make-before-break', I have come to the conclusion that this
phrase is possibly confusing.  Arguably you actually have a
'break-before-make' policy! 

So if I (now) understand correctly the following explanation:

> > s6.x: Given the 'make-before-break' principle, would it be sensible
> to
> > describe the add before the revoke in each case?
> 
> ahh.. I think we have a disconnect. make before break is considered in
> the
> routing sense that a route is considered o.k. (UNKNOWN) unless proven
> otherwise, this means you can remove ALL RPKI object for a route, and
> it
> will still exist happily until a new and conflicting RPKI ROA is
> created..
> And we are working to that. Not necessarily making a new valid object
> before
> breaking the old valid object. That would then imply ownership of a
> prefix
> can then be in two places at the same time. And like the transfer of
> title
> for a house, overlap tends to be considered a bad thing. (co-authors,
> chime
> in here!)
> 
the timeline for the transition between one ROA and a new one would be

Time BGP FIB Event       ROA Event              Route Validation status
T0   Route R1 recvd                             (initially?) NotFound
T0+  Route R1 installed                         NotFound
T1                       ROA1 covering R1 recvd Valid
T2                       ROA1 revoked           NotFound
T3                       ROA2 recvd             Invalid (or Valid)
T3+  Route R1 removed    (for the Invalid case)

So to my mind the treatment of the toutes might be described as
'optimistic acceptance' or 'negative vetting' (as routes are only thrown
out if explicit negative evidence is received) but the ROA
mechanism/policy is definitely break the old ROA before issuing a new
one to avoid having conflicting ones in existence.

It may be that:
- not using the term 'make-before-break' but rather using Terry's words
would avoid 'interpretation'.
- explaining that seeing contradictory ROAs in a router is bad news and
one should check for revocations - presumably the RPKI infrastructure
would prevent a DoS attack here.

Best wishes for the New Year,
Elwyn
On Thu, 2012-12-27 at 16:20 -0500, Sriram, Kotikalapudi wrote:
> Hi Elwyn, Terry:
> 
> Please find attached the revised -06 version .txt file and also the rfc-diff 
> file (-05 vs. -06).
> I think I have captured all the comments you two have gone over,
> and also included are minor comments from Barry, Stewart, others.
> Please let me know if I missed anything.
> 
> Elwyn: Please let me know if need to upload a -06 version to the the IETF 
> submissions page
> at some pioint. Thanks again for all your commnets and help.
> 
> Sriram
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: Sriram, Kotikalapudi [[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 12:17 AM
> To: Elwyn Davies; Terry Manderson
> Cc: General Area Review Team; [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Gen-art LC/Telechat review of  draft-ietf-sidr-usecases-05.txt
> 
> Hi Elwyn,
> 
> I have carefully read all the comments in this thread.
> Thank you for your review and comments -- very helpful.
> I have a good understanding of all the changes I need to make.
> I will spin a new version by Wednesday (12/26) evening or Thursday a.m.
> Will run it by Terry and Russ first and then post it here in this thread as 
> an attachment.
> 
> Happy Holidays.
> 
> Sriram
> ________________________________________
> From: Elwyn Davies [[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 7:06 AM
> To: Terry Manderson
> Cc: General Area Review Team; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Gen-art LC/Telechat review of  draft-ietf-sidr-usecases-05.txt
> 
> Hi, Terry.
> 
> That's all fine by me.
> 
> Have a great Christmas!
> 
> Elwyn

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