Thank you Robert for your review. Per my review of the -12, it looks like the 
issues that you raised have been addressed. Do you agree?

Jari

On 10 Apr 2014, at 19:25, Fedyk, Don <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Robert
> 
> Thanks for your comments.
> 
> Inline [Don]
> 
> I've incorporated your feedback in the latest draft which I will distribute 
> and check with authors and ADs and Chairs shortly. 
> 
> Don.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: L2vpn [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robert Sparks
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> Subject: Gen-art LC review: draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-mac-opt-11
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> Document: draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-ldp-mac-opt-11
> Reviewer: Robert Sparks
> Review Date: 7Apr2014
> IETF LC End Date: 8Apr2014
> IESG Telechat date: not yet scheduled
> 
> Summary: This draft is almost ready for publication as a Proposed Standard, 
> but has minor issues (primarily editorial) that should be addressed.
> 
> I found this document very difficult to read. It asks the reader to hop 
> between sections in unusual ways (for instance, it sends the reader to the 
> problem statement section for details on normative behavior). I strongly 
> encourage an editorial pass focusing on document structure.
> [Don] Will work with AD to see what can be done here.  
> There are many instances of SHOULD in the document where the text should just 
> be using prose instead. It's not always clear when an implementation would 
> choose to ignore the SHOULD, and what the consequences of that choice would 
> be.
> [Don] I'll check this. 
> 
> The document is inconsistent about the level of support needed in the network 
> before trying to use this extension.
> Section 5.1.2 says the assumption is everything understands it before it's 
> turned on. Section 6 points back to figure 2 and says to use the extension 
> over the pw where you administratively know the peer supports the extension, 
> and fall back to 4762 for everything else. Which of those did you intend?
> [Don] I will clarify.   
> Specific comments in document order:
> 
> Section 3.2 paragraph 1: This paragraph would benefit from being broken into 
> several. It's hard to find its point. The SHOULD in this paragraph is 
> probably not a 2119 SHOULD (this section isn't defining the protocol). It 
> would be useful in this overview to explicitly say _why_ "This cannot be 
> achieved with ... 4762]" at this point in the document.
> [Don] Will address this .
> 
> Section 3.2 paragraph 2: This SHOULD _is_ defining protocol - shouldn't it be 
> in section 5?
> [Don] Agree. 
> 
> Section 4.1.1 paragraph 3: It took me some time to find Z on the figure. 
> It might help to introduce it similar to how you introduce X.
> [Don] OK
> 
> Section 4.1.2: paragraph 1: I think you meant to reference 4.1.1
> [Don] Done.
> 
> Section 5: The first sentence talks about requirements in section 4. 
> Section 4 describes a problem using some examples but doesn't explicitly call 
> out requirements. Doing so would help the document.
> [[Don]] Renamed Problem Space as recommended by Ben. 
> 
> Last sentence in 5.1.1 (and several other places in the document): 
> Please add an article before "MAC Flush message".  (I apologize for such a 
> small nit, but each of these instances made making sure I was reading what 
> the sentence intended significantly more difficult).
> [Don] OK. 
> 
> Section 5.1.2 first paragraph: This section is defining behavior - why are 
> you sending the reader back into the problem statement for detail on the 
> behavior?
> [Don] s/4.2/5.2/
> 
> 5.1.2 paragraph 2: You meant section 6, not 5.
> [Don] Done.
> 
> 5.1.2 paragraph 3: I can't follow this paragraph's structure. I think you're 
> trying to say "An MTU-s or PE2-rs SHOULD send MAC withdraw messages as 
> defined in [RFC4762] in cases where the network is being upgraded and devices 
> are not capable of understanding the optimized MAC flush." (But if so, the 
> next sentence is redundant.) Why is this SHOULD?
> [Don] Updated. 
> 
> 5.1.3 paragraph 1: Why is this a SHOULD and not a MUST? (Similar question for 
> the SHOULD in paragraph 2). It's not clear if you're trying to avoid "Some 
> things won't implement this spec" or "Don't do this if you haven't 
> administratively ensured every element understands this extension first" or 
> something else?
> [Don] Changed to MUST for optimized MAC Flush. 
> 
> 5.1.3 paragraph 3: You say "unless specified otherwise". Do you ever specify 
> otherwise? Why is this disclaimer here?
> [Don] Removed.
> 
> 5.1.3 last paragraph: You meant section 6 not 5.
> [Don] Done. 
> 
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