That's great.. thanks.
Elwyn

On 22/06/2015 20:40, Carles Gomez Montenegro wrote:
Hi Elwyn,

Sorry for the lack of feedback from our side during these days.

We are finalizing a draft update which (hopefully) incorporates all your
suggestions, as well as other comments that we have received.

By the way, thank you very much for your thorough review. We believe it
has helped a lot to improve the document.

We will let you know once we submit -14.

Best regards,

Carles



Hi, Draft Authors.

I was just checking that you had seen the review below (sent on
2015-06-02) as I haven't had any feedback and there hasn't been an
update to the draft as yet.

Regards,
Elwyn

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Document: draft-ietf-6lo-btle-13.txt
Reviewer: Elwyn Davies
Review Date: 2015/06/02
IETF LC End Date: 2015/06/09
IESG Telechat date: (if known) -

Summary: Almost ready.  A couple of minor issues - I think it is
important to bring out the multi-link subnet model as a separate section
and there are some details about peripheral to peripheral communication
that seem to have conflicting statements.  Otherwise, there are a
largish number of missing definite and indefinite articles and a few
clarifications that I have suggested.

Major issues:
None.

Minor issues:
s2.2:  As I read this section, it seems to imply (but doesn't make it
totally clear) that a peripheral would only connect to a single central
over IPv6 at a time.  Is this true?  Mesh networking being out of scope
would appear to be another issue that would not necessarily preclude a
peripheral from having multiple interfaces to different centrals -
provided it was capable of handling the multiple interfaces - but would
not need to act as a router.  OK, this might not be something that would
be an everyday event in the IoT but it would be good to make it clear
what the specification implies in this area.

s3.2, para 5:  [This is just fractionally more than editorial]  The
selection of the multilink subnet model is important and deserves a
(sub-sub-)section to itself.  I suggest moving the second and subsequent
sentences of para 5 of s3.2 to a new s3.2.1 and renumbering the
remaining sub-sub-sections, thus:
OLD:
     Bluetooth LE connections used to build a star topology are point-to-
     point in nature, as Bluetooth broadcast features are not used for
     IPv6 over Bluetooth LE (except for discovery of nodes supporting
     IPSS).  As the IPv6 over Bluetooth LE is intended for constrained
     nodes, and for Internet of Things use cases and environments,
     multilink model's benefits are considered to overweight multilink
     model's drawbacks described in RFC 4903 [RFC4903].  Hence a multilink
     model has been chosen, as further illustrated in Section 3.3.
     Because of this, link-local multicast communications can happen only
     within a single Bluetooth LE connection, and thus 6LN-to-6LN
     communications using link-local addresses are not possible. 6LNs
     connected to the same 6LBR has to communicate with each other by
     using the shared prefix used on the subnet.  The 6LBR ensures address
     collisions do not occur (see Section 3.2.2) and forwards packets sent
     by one 6LN to another.

     After the peripheral and central have connected at the Bluetooth LE
     level, the link can be considered up and IPv6 address configuration
     and transmission can begin.

3.2.1.  Stateless address autoconfiguration
...
NEW:
     Bluetooth LE connections used to build a star topology are point-to-
     point in nature, as Bluetooth broadcast features are not used for
     IPv6 over Bluetooth LE (except for discovery of nodes supporting
     IPSS).
     After the peripheral and central have connected at the Bluetooth LE
     level, the link can be considered up and IPv6 address configuration
     and transmission can begin.

3.2.1. IPv6 Subnet Model

     In the Bluetooth LE piconet model (see Section 2.2) peripherals each
     have a separate link to the central and the central acts as an IPv6
     router rather than a link layer switch.  As discussed in [RFC4903],
     conventional usage of IPv6 anticipates IPv6 subnets spanning a single
     link at the link layer.  As IPv6 over Bluetooth LE is intended for
     constrained nodes, and for Internet of Things use cases and
     environments, the complexity of implementing a separate subnet on
     each peripheral-central link and routing between the subnets appears
     to be excessive.  In the Bluetooth LE case, the benefits of treating
     the collection of point-to-point links between a central and its
     connected peripherals as a single multilink subnet rather than a
     multiplicity of separate subnets are considered to outweigh the
     multilink model's drawbacks as described in RFC 4903 [RFC4903].

     Hence a multilink model has been chosen, as further illustrated in
     Section 3.3  Because of this, link-local multicast communications
     can happen only within a single Bluetooth LE connection, and thus
     6LN-to-6LN communications using link-local addresses are not
     possible. 6LNs connected to the same 6LBR have to communicate with
     each other by using the shared prefix used on the subnet.  The 6LBR
     ensures address collisions do not occur (see Section 3.2.3) and
     forwards packets sent by one 6LN to another.

3.2.2.  Stateless address autoconfiguration
....
END

s3.2, para 5: Additional query:  As written and in the nEW version just
above, the text seems to imply that you can't do peripheral to
peripheral comms between peripherals connected to the same central using
link local addresses ("thus 6LN-to-6LN communications using link-local
addresses are not possible").  This appears to conflict with various
statements later in the draft in s3.2.3, paras 4 and 5 which seem to
imply that comms using link local addresses is entirely possible.  I may
have misunderstood this but would be grateful for explanation.


Nits/editorial comments:
========================
General: Prefer 'octet' to 'byte'.

General: Consistent use of 'link layer' or 'link-layer' - both are used
in a somewhat aribitrary fashion.

Abstract: s/is standardized since the revision/has been standardized
since revision/

Abstract:  The 6LoWPAN acronym needs to be expanded.

s1: To be consistent with the abstract it would be best if the
connection (equivalence) between Bluetooth Smart and Bluetooth LE was
reiterated in the first sentence and noted that Bluetooth LE is used in
the rest of the document.

s1, para 1: To avoid jargon s/coin cell/very low capacity (e.g., "coin
cell")/

s1, para 2: Suggest s/ideal protocol/ideal protocol for communication
with such devices/  to make it clear what it is ideal for.

s1, para 3: 802.15.4 needs a reference.  Should this be to the updated
2011 version ( RFC 4944 refers to the 2003 standard)?
IEEE Computer Society, "IEEE Std. 802.15.4-2011 IEEE Standard for Local
and metropolitan area networks--
Part 15.4: Low-Rate Wireless Personal Area Networks (LR-WPANs)", June
2011.

s1, para 3:  The general connection to 6LoWPAN mentioned in the last
sentence of the Abstract ought to be repeated at the start of para 3;
OLD:
     RFCs 4944, 6282, and 6775 [RFC4944][RFC6282][RFC6775] specify the
     transmission of IPv6 over IEEE 802.15.4.
NEW:
     This document describes how IPv6 is transported over Bluetooth Smart
(also known as
     Bluetooth LE) low power connections using IPv6 over Low power
Wireless Personal Area
     Networks (6LoWPAN) techniques.  RFCs 4944, 6282, and 6775
[RFC4944][RFC6282][RFC6775]
     developed for 6LoWPAN specify the transmission of IPv6 over IEEE
802.15.4.
END

s1.1, para 2: Please include the expansions of the acronyms 6LN, 6LR and
6LBR here.

s2, para 1:
     Bluetooth LE is designed for transferring small amounts of data
     infrequently at modest data rates at a very low cost per bit.
Presumably this is energy cost?   Maybe better:
s/at a very low cost/with a very small energy expenditure/

s2, para 2: s/published/published the/,
                      s/includes/includes the/,
                      s/link-layer/a link-layer/

s2, para 2: To be clear 'newer' (presumably) applies to both BT 4.1 and
IPSP 1.0:
s/newer/more recent versions of either specification to provide
necessary capabilities/

s2, para 3:
OLD:
which will include Bluetooth 4.1 chipsets
NEW:
that incorporate chipsets implementing Bluetooth 4.1 or later
END

s2, para 3:  The standard cannot guarantee presences of Bluetooth LE:
s/will also be included/is also expected to be included/

s2.1, para 1:
The device internal Host Controller Interface (HCI)
I don't think the qualifier 'device internal' really helps here and
could be usefully omitted.
The nature of the interface is explained in the following text.

s2.2, para 1: 'but since Bluetooth 4.1' is a bit ambiguous.  After some
thought, I assume it is supposed to mean that the capability to connect
to multiple centrals at once started only with BT 4.1.  How about:
OLD:
but since Bluetooth 4.1 can also connect to multiple centrals.
NEW:
but with versions of Bluetooth from 4.1 onwards it can also connect to
multiple centrals at the same time.
END

s2.2, para 1: s/i.e. a Bluetooth/i.e., a Bluetooth/

s2.3, para 1:  Hope the device isn't running on AC!!
OLD:
This typically happens at every power cycle of a device.
NEW:
New addresses are typically generated each time a device is powered on.
END

s2.4, title: s/packets sizes/packet sizes/

s2.4: s/Optimal/The optimal/,
           s/Default MTU/The default MTU/,
           s/exclusing L2CAP/excluding the L2CAP/,
           s/protocol data/a protocol data/,
           s/link layer fragmentation/a link layer fragmentation/,
           s/provides MTU/provides an MTU/
           s/single link-layer MTU value/an equal link layer MTU for the
two directions/

s3, para 1: s/due Bluetooth LE's/due to Bluetooth LE's/

s3, para 2: s/both star and mesh topology/both star and mesh topologies/,
                     s/inter- peripheral/inter-peripheral/ [Space removed]

s3, para 4: s/Bluetooth SIG/the Bluetooth SIG/

s3, last sentence:  This duplicates the statement made in s2 (subject to
the mod proposed above).  It could be omitted.  However, if repeating it
is thought worthwhile, it might be better right at the start of s3.

s3.1: s/IPv6 stack/the IPv6 stack/,
           s/GATT stack/the GATT stack/,
          s/Bluetooth LE/the Bluetooth LE/,
          s/GATT/The GATT/
          s/Internet/The Internet/

s3.2, para 1: s/The concept of/The distinct concepts of the/,
s/needs/need/, s/the relationship/their relationship/

s3.2, para 2: s/6LoWPAN/the 6LoWPAN/,
                s/use of 1280 byte/use of a 1280 byte [octet] MTU/

s3.2.1, para 1: s/underlying/the underlying/,
                  s/guidance/the guidance/,
                  s/formed from 48-bit/from the 48-bit/,
                  s/a bit from Bluetooth/a bit from the Bluetooth/,
                  s/no bit in IID/no bit in the IID/

s3.2.1, para 2: s/appended with/prepended with the/,
                  s/After Bluetooth/After a Bluetooth/
                  s/existing L2CAP channel/existing L2CAP channels/ [or
"an L2CAP channel"]

s3.2.1, para 3: s/responsible of/responsible for/,
                  s/and of/and for/,
                  s/complexity/the complexity/,
                  s/at link establishment/in the link establishment/,
                  s/number/the number/

s3.2.1, para 4: s/6LN sends/the 6LN sends/

s3.2.1, para 5: s/alternatice/alternative/,
                  s/6LN generates/that a 6LN generates/,
                  s/with 6LBR/with the 6LBR/

s3.2.1, para 6:  Referring to the new section on the subnet model
proposed in the 'Minor Issues' section above would be helpful instead of
s2.2.

s3.2.1, para 6:  s/Prefix Information Option [RFC4861]/Prefix
Information Option in Neighbor Discovery messages [RFC4861] (see Section
3.2.2)/

s3.2.3, para 3: s/of EUI-64/of an EUI-64/

s3.2.3, para 4: Suggest a little clarification of this para:
OLD:
     To enable efficient header compression, the 6LBR MUST include 6LoWPAN
     Context Option (6CO) [RFC6775] for all prefixes the 6LBR advertises
     in Router Advertisements for use in stateless address
     autoconfiguration.
NEW:
     To enable efficient header compression, when the 6LBR sends a
     Router Advertisement it MUST include a 6LoWPAN Context Option (6CO)
     [RFC6775] matching each address prefix advertised via a Prefix
     Information Option (PIO) [RFC4861] for use in stateless address
     autoconfiguration.
END

s3.2.4, para 5: s/related to compression context/related to the
compression context/ (2 places)

s3.2.4, para 5:
OLD:
6LBR has sent Neighbor Advertisement with ARO having status field set to
success.
NEW:
6LBR has sent a Neighbor Advertisement with an ARO having its status
field set to success.
END

s3.2.4, para 5: s/address is 6LBR's/address is the 6LBR's/,
                  s/for the used destination prefix./for the destination
prefix used./

s2.2.4, para 6: s/packets to 6LN/packets to a 6LN/,
                  s/on 6LBR's/on the 6LBR's/,
                  s/based on 6LN's/based on the 6LN's/,
                  s/then 6LN/then the 6LN/,
                  s/of IID match/of the IID match/

s3.2.3.1, para 1: s/full or part of IID/part or all of the IID/,
                    s/depending which/depending on which/

s3.2.3.2, last para: s/secondly/most recently/











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