Hi Joel et al, +1 for 'graceful-link-shutdown'. Another possibility may be 'link-decommission'..
Thanks and regards -Pushpasis On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:09 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > *From:* Shraddha Hegde > > How about “graceful-link-shutdown” ? > > > > Looks good to me. > > Also, FYI, for BGP sessions, in the GROW WG we used the term “Graceful BGP > session shutdown” and named the BGP community “GRACEFUL_SHUTDOWN” so this > would align on the terminology. > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-bgp-gshut-13 > > > > Best regards, > > --Bruno > > > > > > Rgds > > Shraddha > > > > > > > > *From:* Acee Lindem (acee) [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] > *Sent:* Friday, January 5, 2018 6:50 PM > *To:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <[email protected]>; Ketan Talaulikar > (ketant) <[email protected]>; Joel Halpern <[email protected]>; > [email protected] > *Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected]; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload. > [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 > > > > It is not in “maintenance" mode yet as it is still being used. However, it > is better than “overload”. “pending-maintenance” is a bit long which is why > I suggested “pending-shutdown” since “shutdown” is term that vendors have > used for eons to described an interface that is not in service. > > Thanks, > > Acee > > > > *From: *"Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <[email protected]> > *Date: *Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 11:56 PM > *To: *"Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" <[email protected]>, Acee Lindem < > [email protected]>, "Joel M. Halpern" <[email protected]>, " > [email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Cc: *OSPF WG List <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, " > [email protected]" <draft-ietf-ospf-link- > [email protected]> > *Subject: *RE: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 > > > > Ketan – > > > > “maintenance” I could live with. > > > > “GIR” seems to not be generic enough. > > > > Les > > > > > > *From:* Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > *Sent:* Thursday, January 04, 2018 8:09 PM > *To:* Acee Lindem (acee) <[email protected]>; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) < > [email protected]>; Joel Halpern <[email protected]>; [email protected] > *Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected]; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload. > [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 > > > > Hello, > > > > May I suggest something more generic like “Maintenance Mode” or “Graceful > Insertion/Removal (GIR) Mode” which could be defined so as to cover the > multiple scenarios in question (e.g. pending shutdown, down for repairs, > last resort due to poor link quality, etc.). > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > > *From:* OSPF [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Acee Lindem (acee) > *Sent:* 05 January 2018 08:14 > *To:* Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <[email protected]>; Joel Halpern < > [email protected]>; [email protected] > *Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected]; draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload. > [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [OSPF] Genart last call review of > draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 > > > > Hi Les, > > > > *From: *"Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <[email protected]> > *Date: *Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 9:26 PM > *To: *Acee Lindem <[email protected]>, "Joel M. Halpern" <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *Cc: *OSPF WG List <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, " > [email protected]" <draft-ietf-ospf-link- > [email protected]> > *Subject: *RE: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload-11 > > > > > >Minor issues: > > > > I understand the WG likes using the term "overload" for a link > > > >being taken > > > > out of service. I think people will learn what we mean. I do wish > > > >we had > > > > not chosen to misuse the words in this fashion. This is much more a > > > > graceful-link-close indication (or clsoe-pending indication) than > > > >it is an > > > > overload indication. > > > > > > I agree with this comment but I wasn’t sure we’d reach consensus on a > > > better alternative. However, after some though and consideration of > current > > > OSPF router terminology, I’d propose we use the term “Pending-Shutdown”. > > > Does anyone not agree that this is a more appropriate moniker for the TLV > > > and state? > > > > > [Les:] I agree with Joel's comment. The use of the term "overload" is > unfortunate. > > But "pending-shutdown" isn’t appealing to me because - at least in most > use cases - you aren't actually going to shutdown the link. What you are > going to do is make a link the "link of last resort". > > This seems a better choice. > > > > That is not the use case - you are going to take the link down. It is not > going to be the "link of last resort”, it is the currently the “link of > last resort” and will imminently be taken down. > > > > > > The suggestion from Shraddha that this term was borrowed from IS-IS isn't > accurate. "overload" in IS-IS has a very different meaning - it indicates a > node either has an incomplete LSDB or (a la RFC 3277 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_rfc3277_&d=DwMGaQ&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=NyjLsr7JA7mvpCJa0YmPdVKcmMXJ31bpbBaNqzCNrng&m=7GM8zN1-Ff2au_agmHAkiNYK2R5Aji-EjpyT8gmgRYU&s=769ndBiWrwubwBNccNtOnDuHr1yMD-W10WuEarCDNgI&e=> > )an incomplete forwarding plane. > > > > The only use of "link overload" in IS-IS occurs in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-isis-reverse-metric-07#section-3.6 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf.org_html_draft-2Dietf-2Disis-2Dreverse-2Dmetric-2D07-23section-2D3.6&d=DwMGaQ&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=NyjLsr7JA7mvpCJa0YmPdVKcmMXJ31bpbBaNqzCNrng&m=7GM8zN1-Ff2au_agmHAkiNYK2R5Aji-EjpyT8gmgRYU&s=r_8muG61-ePlkCbqf7qIcHUPHGtjWf_JOH1UXH7lp8U&e=> > and this was added recently to support the (very useful) TE use case which > was defined in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-link-overload- > 11 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf.org_html_draft-2Dietf-2Dospf-2Dlink-2Doverload-2D11&d=DwMGaQ&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=NyjLsr7JA7mvpCJa0YmPdVKcmMXJ31bpbBaNqzCNrng&m=7GM8zN1-Ff2au_agmHAkiNYK2R5Aji-EjpyT8gmgRYU&s=umZHmgXp6i4i0PAyZbsDS0iorBurDZsFIyvaVVXEHb0&e=> > . When this was done the term "link-overload" was cut and pasted from the > OSPF draft. I think this should also be changed in the IS-IS draft. > > > > Agreed. > > > > Thanks, > > Acee > > > > Les > > > > > Thanks, > > > Acee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > OSPF mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ospf > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_ospf&d=DwMGaQ&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=NyjLsr7JA7mvpCJa0YmPdVKcmMXJ31bpbBaNqzCNrng&m=7GM8zN1-Ff2au_agmHAkiNYK2R5Aji-EjpyT8gmgRYU&s=N51dsQzqzgGoBY61VJtqkgGHlrNjgZT_-9g8G_pcOyE&e=> > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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