On Thursday 17 Mar 2011 11:58:48 whothis wrote: > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Philippe Beaudette > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Adrianne Wadewitz <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Many women react in ways that are just as sexist as men. Some of > >> > >> the most damaging sexism I have seen on Wikipedia came from female > >> editors. We should not exclude male voices based on the assumption > >> that they could be sexist but allow any female voice. > > > > I've struggled with this list, today. I feel emotionally blackmailed - > > as though because I'm male I'm bad. But the truth is, I've sat and > > read. I'm not sure I've posted since my introduction. I've > > commiserated, and I've looked for solutions. There are others like me. > > I work with some of them. > > > > It hurts to be painted with broad strokes, and I understand that's what > > > > women have dealt with forever... but it's no fun. And Kaldari, for > > instance, is the most radical feminist I know... and he's male. > > > > Exclusionary practices are out of line with Wikimedia - at least the > > Wikimedia I want to be a part of. > > > > Adrianne, thank you for you post. It was powerful and drew me out of > > silence. > > > > Philippe > > > > ______________________ > > Philippe Beaudette > > Head of Reader Relations > > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > I found this entire thread rather entertaining, blown out of proportion. > > If we agree to this, I'd like to propose another sub-list > for Caucasian Wikipedians and non-Caucasians and then several other > sub-groups till everyone has their own list. ;) >
I'd like a sublist for heterosexual male Jewish Israelis of half-Polish/half- Iraqi descent, who are Objectivist/Libertarians, and post-Zionists, love Perl, DocBook/XML, Mandriva Linux, and KDE, prefer to use Commonwealth English and who like cats better than dogs and who likely have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder . :-D </joke> ( Sorry, could not resist. ) Seriously now, I don't think we should split this list based on sub-groups. Joel on Software wrote something about forking here: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2004/09/03.html He was talking about topical forking which tended to make discussions less interesting, but I think it doubly holds for target audience forking. Regarding the "Don't be a dick" article - I've skimmed it and found it offensive (even though or because I'm classified according to all of the above) and think that it should be changed to "Don't be a jerk" or something like that. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ My Public Domain Photos - http://www.flickr.com/photos/shlomif/ If you have the same ideas as everybody else, but have them one week earlier than everyone else - then you will be hailed as a visionary. But if you have them five years earlier, you will be named a lunatic. ( Barry Jones ) Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
