On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Arnaud HERVE <[email protected]>wrote:
> The last few days we talked about appropriate nudity in medical images. > I have an example of appropriate clothing now. > > I think applying such rules as decency, respect, etc. are not totally > sufficient. > > I think that the main principle should to avoid erotic content in order > to focus on the cognitive effort to understand the physiology. And in > such a context an erotic content would not only be offensive, it would > be a pollution for the cognitive intention. > > I just worked on this document ( ~ 7 Mo download) : > > http://arnaudherve.free.fr/Sugery_table_with_female_patient.pdf > > It comes from a vendor of surgery tables. The document was originally in > German and has been translated to French. Anyway you don't have to > understand the language, because the medical words are almost the same, > and the images are obvious anyway. > > What I wanted to show is that the patient is clothed, although in a real > life surgery situation, she would be naked. > > The answer for that is not really in respect for the person, although it > is present here. The main intention is semantic. It mean the sellers > work seriously at making tables, they talk to buyers who work seriously > using those tables, and the focus is on the tables and not the patient. > > By the way you will notice here and there the arm of a nurse, without > her face. The arm is naked and the shoulder clothed, which doesn't mean > the nurse is decent, it means she is working. So her face would not only > be a violation of anonymity, it would be a pollution to showing her arm > manipulating the tools. > > I think that is the spirit. For images of organs of course it will be > more difficult, but still the focus must be on understanding the > anatomy, or physiology, or pathology. Or in other words, discourage > those who want to drool over female bodies, BUT encourage those who want > to acquire knowledge. > > I think the principle applies to women in sports too. Have a look at this : > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadia_Com%C4%83neci > > Here you can see, or at least I can see immediately, that the focus in > on the sports feat and not on decency or desirability. > > Don't know if that makes sense to you. So to sum it up it would not be > sufficient to merely REMOVE the erotic content, it is necessary to > IMPOSE the cognitive content. Then if you want to positively impose the > cognitive content, the negative removal of erotic content comes very > naturally. > > Arnaud > Arnaud, I agree with the point that you are making. It is the same as when we expect article content to have a encyclopedic tone. We often need to rewrite text to make it less like an investigative report, a salacious tabloid story, or a company press release. Images need to be used in a way that that best illustrates the overall content of the topic being discussed. This can be a matter of presenting a neutral point of view, or maybe just good recognition of the way that that an image can be introduced into the article to supplement the text. It is true when introducing all images into an article. But it seems particularly necessary to think of it when writing articles that feature images of women because of the way that women are sexualized in many of the images uploaded to Commons. Forcing them into articles that are not erotic adds a weird connotation to the article. (The first example image would not load for me but your excellent description helped me understand the point you were making.) Sydney Poore User:FloNight
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