On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Sydney Poore <[email protected]>wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Risker <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I am saying that you are questioning the decision of an independent body >> to select a person for membership in the same way that he questioned the WMF >> for selecting a person he did not consider appropriate. In short, he sought >> a non-project sanction for on-project activities/concerns. I do not see a >> difference between that behaviour, and members of this list seeking a >> non-project sanction (i.e., removing someone from a chapter Board of >> Directors) for on-project activities/concerns, particularly when the >> on-project concern was....well, doing exactly what seems to be proposed >> here. > > <my comment that mixed with Risker's>I agree that we need to be sensitive in >> general about how we discuss these type of issues on a public mailing list. >> And in this case since one party to the case is an active participate to >> this mailing list, we need to take extra caution that we are not only >> hearing one side of the story. >> > > That said, I don't think that it is actually a parallel comparison. We > don't want users escalating disputes by calling employers because it can > have loads of negative repercussions for Wikipedia as well as the person who > is reported. But I see no reason that users shouldn't take into > consideration whether they support having someone who has been banned on one > WMF project in a position of trust in a WMF related organization or another > wiki. ArbCom does the same type of thing when it vets users for positions of > trust such as checkuser. People take into account an users past history when > they vote for steward or WMF Board members. So, I don't have a problem with > someone raising a concern about it in this situation. > > Sydney Poore > User:FloNight > >> >> Wikimedia chapters are not beholden to one specific project. There are >> hundreds of people banned or blocked on one WMF project who are active, >> respected members of other projects; in fact, even on English Wikipedia, >> appropriate and valued work in another WMF project or area is usually >> considered a mitigating factor when a user requests review of a sanction. >> >> (For the record, I am a member of the Arbitration Committee that voted to >> ban the user in question, and did support a ban.) >> >> Risker/Anne >> >> >> >> >> On 7 October 2011 11:22, Sandra <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I dont understand what ur trying to express. Can u possibly clarify. >>> >>> Are you saying that this person should be allowed to represent the >>> community in an official capacity even though he has been recently banned >>> for inappropriate behavior and breaking community guidelines? >>> >>> I just want to make sure that im understanding your point of view >>> correctly. >>> >>> On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Risker <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I would recommend considerable caution in discussing this issue on this >>> mailing list. One of the key "harassment" issues was that the now-banned >>> user attempted to contact the WMF about another user whom he believed to >>> beemployed by the WMF under some form of grant or contract. It raises an >>> interesting question that some here would think it appropriate to try to >>> affect that person's position in a Wikimedia chapter because of the English >>> Wikipedia ban; it is parallel to the situation for which the user was banned >>> in the first place. >>> >>> At least one other party under conditional sanctions in the same case is >>> an active and respected member of this mailing list, and I can respect that >>> it would be difficult for that individual to have this matter dissected >>> here. Please proceed with caution. >>> >>> >>> Risker/Anne >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7 October 2011 09:55, Sandra ordonez < <[email protected]> >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Currently banned and I think it wasn't that long ago. >>>> >>>> lets wait till aude responds to see if there is a way this list can >>>> help. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Michael J. Lowrey <<[email protected]> >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Sandra ordonez <<[email protected]> >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > Essentially, that someone has gotten a leadership position in the >>>>> D.C. >>>>> > chapter who has been banned from editing Wikipedia for year for >>>>> things like >>>>> > harassing people, disruptive behavior, and editing problems like >>>>> copyright >>>>> > violations. >>>>> >>>>> Banned in the past, and done their time; or currently banned? I've >>>>> worked with ex-cons in the past. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey >>>>> >>>>> "When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left, I buy food >>>>> and clothes." >>>>> -- Desiderius Erasmus >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>> <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap> >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Sandra Ordonez* >>>> *Web Astronaut* >>>> (503)866-2697 >>>> @Collaboracion >>>> >>>> "Helping you rock out in the virtual, collaborative world." >>>> >>>> * <http://www.collaborativenation.com>www.collaborativenation.com* >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>> <[email protected]>[email protected] >>>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap> >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> >
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