Hi Adam, thanks for your kind words. Please see below for my response.
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 09:12:32 -0800 [email protected] wrote: > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 08:29:22AM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 08:03:11 -0500 > > Sumana Harihareswara <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2013-02-07 > > > > > > Yesterday I gave a 3-minute presentation about the Outreach Program for > > > Women at the monthly Wikimedia Foundation all-hands meeting. My slides > > > are up on Commons: > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Opw-presentation-feb7-2013.pdf > > > > > > More about our participation in OPW: > > > > > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_Program_for_Women > > > > > > > Thanks for making the slides available, but I was annoyed by the fact that I > > had to switch to every page individually, and could not figure out a way to > > download the .pdf itself (but there should be). Your talk seems like a good > > initiative, and I will encourage it. > > Just click "Full resolution," it took me a minute to find, as well. I expect > there will be digitized video of the event, or one can hope. Ah, OK, I'll try it next time. > > As for your guidelines to persistent engagement, is there a web page where > you explain in more detail? I feel like those would make very good advice in > the proper circumstances -- however, I cannot imagine how they could be > applied to as bold an initiative as the Outreach Program, and especially and > above all, you cannot sensibly say they apply to "predominantly women". They don't apply only to women (naturally), but I'm pretty sure they certainly affect women. I don't have a web page yet, but I guess I can write one in English (possibly on the Meta-Wiki - https://meta.wikimedia.org/ ) and so we'll allow other people to contribute. > > I think many of the ideas you expressed would be well received by the > wiki*edia "welcoming committee", and that might be a good place to try them > out [1] in the field, possibly achieving a reduction to a smaller number of > axioms in the process. Thanks. :-). > > .... > > > I think we should change the templates on wikipedia to read > > something more like “Please find citations from reliable sources for this > > article.” instead of the much less constructive and more frightening “This > > article lacks citations from reliable sources. It may be challenged and > > removed.”. > > This is a great improvement, in my opinion, but there might be problems with > using the imperative voice, even if it begins with "please". It is an > interesting idea though, and it makes me laugh to think that Wikipedia's > public pleas have already bordered on such lines, we might as well have had a > big Uncle Sam pointing at our organ of sense of duty: "I want YOU to edit > this broken-ass website." Heh. :-). > > Agreed that the "challenged and removed" sentence sounds like an > insurance-company cop-out, something like a "we told u so". What about an > attempt at sympathy, "Unfortunately, articles may be swiftly removed if > content falls short of basic criteria..." OK. > > Actually, to trip out on something I'm passionate about, it's nonsense that > vandalism is so sensitive an issue that we have to self-police the > encyclopedia in this way. In the case of an incomplete article, let's just > flag it as such, and move on. Then, sections with this flag > ("non-authoritative"???) would not appear unless you are looking for them. > Yes, I think you are right. Well, I actually had to revert a change on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Hoffman (back when it was still EA_spouse) because it was done anonymously and contained baseless, opinionated, and defamatory rumours: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erin_Hoffman&diff=423068674&oldid=422828495 However, I guess you need to draw the line somewhere. Anyway, I will work on that page now. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ List of Portability Libraries - http://shlom.in/port-libs There are no deletionists. Only Wikipedia articles which Chuck Norris allows to live. (By: joeyadams) Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
