We might be able to create one on one chats somehow on IRC or with chatrooms. The concept makes sense.
Pine On Aug 13, 2014 11:11 AM, "Emily Monroe" <[email protected]> wrote: > Sorry if my previous email seemed a little harsh or confused. > > I don't think a chatroom is non-confusing enough. One other way > helpees often "fail hard" is that they confuse messages sent to other > helpees as being directed at them. They don't realize it's a public > chatroom. We would need a system where a helpee can contact a helper 1:1 > for this to work. > > From, > Emily > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Emily Monroe <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Interesting. You were just talking about IRC and #wikipedia-en-help and >> not using research, and now you have seem to given up. >> >> From, >> Emily >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 12:17 AM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The chat system mentioned by Quiddity may actually decrease the number >>> of helpees in IRC by encouraging them to use the dedicated messaging system >>> which we hope will appeal to experienced users who will choose to join the >>> category-based chatrooms. Or the chatrooms may fail hard. Research data >>> about the chatroom concept would be good before committing to develop it. >>> >>> Pine >>> On Aug 12, 2014 9:45 PM, "Emily Monroe" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't think you realize how little helpers there actually are. A lot >>>> of responses, as is, go unanswered. We don't need increased participation >>>> in #wikipedia-en-help, unless it's increased participation from helpers and >>>> not helpees. >>>> >>>> From, >>>> Emily >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for finding that page. I don't know how much that kind of chat >>>>> system would help our editor numbers but it's worth discussing. Any >>>>> comments from the Growth and EE teams? >>>>> >>>>> Pine >>>>> On Aug 12, 2014 8:10 PM, "quiddity" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The pro and cons of web-chat, and some technical options are collated >>>>>> at: >>>>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Live_Chat_System >>>>>> (especially the 2nd-to-last section, for "Why not IRC?") >>>>>> IRC makes followup discussion, or time-delayed discussion, too >>>>>> difficult, if the user doesn't use their identical username, and state >>>>>> their home-wiki. Also, it shows IPs if users don't obtain a cloak first. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, just for informational purposes, here are links for easy >>>>>> comparison: >>>>>> https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/test >>>>>> http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#test >>>>>> ( the default client uses http://www.qwebirc.org/ ) >>>>>> >>>>>> HTH, >>>>>> Quiddity >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:45 AM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That proposal could be considered in the long term, but right now >>>>>>> we have plenty of people who seek and get help on IRC, and we can make >>>>>>> incremental improvements to their experience faster than we can build a >>>>>>> new >>>>>>> tool from scratch. Few newbies fail hard at IRC. The basics are similar >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> texting and private instant messaging software. Let's improve the newbie >>>>>>> user experience. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pine >>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2014 1:48 PM, "Nathan" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Newbies are going to fail hard at IRC. Pretty much all of the >>>>>>>> questions Seb >>>>>>>> poses for a built-in newbie chat still exist with a built-in >>>>>>>> Freenode >>>>>>>> interface, with the addition of a complicated and often difficult >>>>>>>> (not to >>>>>>>> mention culturally... unique) environment. Much better to think >>>>>>>> along the >>>>>>>> lines of the Teahouse, but live. You can jump into a chat queue, >>>>>>>> and people >>>>>>>> who want to help chat with you, and you can close the chat whenever >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> want, and you can't contact people outside of the queue using chat. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> EE mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> EE mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >
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