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------ Original message------ From: Risker Date: Fri, Dec 12, 2014 3:03 PM To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects.; Subject:Re: [Gendergap] Diversity training for functionaries More likely, it is the fact that none of the moderators happen to be online right now. If you want to leave the list, as is your stated intention, you can go to your own Mailman preferences and decide which lists to unsubscribe without waiting for a moderator. Risker On 12 December 2014 at 14:49, Reguyla <[email protected]> wrote: Well, its also possible that whomever is removing me from the list, doesn't agree that I am a problem. Its funny that the people who want me off the list are or were members of the Arbcom I have often criticized as being self serving and problematic. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Risker <[email protected]> wrote: Kumioko, you can change your gmail preferences to have this list automatically dump to spam if you're not getting a fast enough response to your "unsubscribe". Risker On 12 December 2014 at 14:43, Reguyla <[email protected]> wrote: While I am waiting for the email confirmation disenrolling me from this email list, I think this is only going to work if: 1) Someone establishes some metric for determining if the training is helping 2) If there is some teeth to failure to adhere to the training once its been taken. If the WMF has no intention of dealing with admins who continue to violate policy, then there is no reason to force them to take the training. 3) The training is also taken by editors. The majority of the problems come from the editors so they should also have some need to take the training On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Siko Bouterse <[email protected]> wrote: Along similar lines, this pilot training has been suggested for admins: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Gender-gap_admin_training And The Ada Initiative said they were interested in providing training for such a pilot. WMF grantmakers like myself would be pleased to see something like this develop into a proposal, if folks felt it was worth trying. It might make sense to pilot at the admin level before focusing on functionaries like stewards, because admins have more day-to-day interactions with individual editors (and thus more opportunities to facilitate an on-wiki environment that supports diversity). On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Reguyla <[email protected]> wrote: I think this might be a good idea but it would be pretty hard to implement and I think, unnecessary. Most of the functionaries got to where they are because they have a calm demeanor and generally are fair in how they treat others. Additionally, its not usually the functionaries who are the problem. So without requiring the editors to perform the diversity training, I'm not sure how much it would help. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Chris Keating <[email protected]> wrote: Don't know if this has been floated before - apologies if so - but: Part of the problem we have is the sheer depth of ignorance among otherwise well-intentioned community members. This depth of ignorance is naturally shared by the people who play leadership roles in the community. So we end up with stewards, arbitrators and bureaucrats who potentially end up reinforcing the gender gap problem because they just have no clue how the structure they maintain can sometimes be a tool to exclude people. How about offering some form of diversity training to functionaries to help broaden perspectives and raise understanding? Obviously, from the point of view of supporting them to do their difficult and fairly thankless roles better, rather than beating them with diversity sticks. It could happen (indeed, WMF could make it happen with some volunteer input); could it help? Chris _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- Siko Bouterse Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. [email protected] Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Donate or click the "edit" button today, and help us make it a reality! _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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