Marie I always find your replies so interesting. Glad you share. On Jan 30, 2015 5:46 AM, "Marie Earley" <eir...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> There is something I thought I should mention as a UK member of this list. > > Hate speech (including online) is illegal in the UK. > > When the Bank of England announced that Elizabeth Fry would be dropped > from the new £5 notes and replaced with Winston Churchill, it meant that > there would be no women on sterling bank notes (apart from the Queen). > > Caroline Criado-Perez successfully campaigned for Jane Austin to be added > to £10 notes and received threats of rape and death. > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/10207231/Woman-who-campaigned-for-Jane-Austen-bank-note-receives-Twitter-death-threats.html > > That instigated an online campaign which resulted in Twitter adding its > 'report' button. > > Isabella Sorley, 23, of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, tweets included: "die you > worthless piece of crap", "go kill yourself" and, "I've only just got out > of prison and would happily do more time to see you berried!!" > > John Nimmo, 25, of South Shields, made references to rape and added: "I > will find you (smiley face)". > > Sorley was sentenced to 12 weeks in prison, and Nimmo was jailed for 8 > weeks. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25886026 > > The law they broke was Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 > http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/section/127 > > If UK-based Wikipedian 'X' breaches s.127 of the Comms. Act due to > something they said on Wikipedia about UK-based Wikipedian 'Y' then they > face criminal prosecution and possibly jail. > > The litmus test is whether what they have said is not only 'offensive' > but, 'grossly offensive'. Wikipedia's internal systems and thresholds would > make no difference to the authorities in the UK. It would be interesting to > see what the public fall-out would be if Wikipedia decided that no action > should be taken against X whilst the UK jailed him / her. > > Marie > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 11:41:36 -0500 > From: neot...@gmail.com > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] press coverage of Gamergate arbcom case > > Double standard. Where are all the usual voices protesting about > "civility police"? Where are all the arbitrators opining that they cannot > set objective standards for language? > > Beeblebrox used to have an article about "fuck off" in his user space. It > didn't get him banned. In fact, he went on to become an administrator and > arbitrator. > > In the absence of objective standards, subjective standards are emerging, > based on gender. Using the f-word, or even criticizing male users, is > becoming a male privilege on en.wp. Anyone else who uses the word is > "hostile" and exhibiting "battleground behavior". I must also say I am very > disappointed in GorillaWarfare's role here. > > Maybe, just maybe, instead of just dismissing anything that is said by a > woman editor, the arbitration committee should investigate it. I am looking > in particular at this one > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=prev&oldid=631322169 > If it is true, there are a huge number of users recruited on external > sites, who are not there to build an encyclopedia, that will have huge > implications for the survival of women editors on Wikipedia. The > arbitration committee is looking at WP:SPA, they should look at WP:MEAT. > And they should pay attention to who the ringleaders are, not just the > throwaway accounts. > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grants_talk:IdeaLab/WikiProject_Women&diff=next&oldid=10928257 > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grants_talk:IdeaLab/WikiProject_Women&diff=10938964&oldid=10936831 > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grants_talk:IdeaLab/WikiProject_Women&diff=10952260&oldid=10951344 > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grants:IdeaLab/WikiProject_Women&diff=10991140&oldid=10979378 > > > But, as has been pointed out on the current RFC, > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Harassment#RfC:_should_the_policy_extend_harassment_to_include_posting_ANY_other_accounts_on_ANY_other_websites.3F > that would change the WP:OUTING policy to prohibit all mention of outside > accounts, including Reddit Men's Rights and Reddit Gamergate, "trying to > address the issues without being able to talk openly about the evidence is > difficult". > > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Marie Earley <eir...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I don't know a lot about this case, but taking a cursory look at the > diffs... > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gamergate_controversy&diff=prev&oldid=628547686 > > ...presumably an "excessive edit" is a derogatrory way of saying "a single > large edit". In which case I would probably have said the same as this: > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gamergate_controversy&diff=prev&oldid=628548723 > > To be feminist or to not be feminist... > > I once read about a mother who went into a toy shop with her little girl. > She was walking towards the check-out with a toy fire truck and some Lego > when she was stopped by a member of staff who pointed out that the store > had dolls. The mother said that her daughter didn't like dolls, that she > likes trucks. She was about to move off again when the staff member pointed > out that the store sold pastel Lego (as opposed to the primary coloured > bucket of Lego that she had picked up). I'm sure she didn't think of > herself as a feminist until that moment. > > I find that most people who join feminist groups / gender gap mailing list > etc. never thought of themselves as feminists until they had a "Lego > moment". > > My Lego moment was reading this article: > http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/fashion-news/the-wag-wannabes-949827 > about a 19 year-old who was hoping to become the wife or girlfriend of a > footballer (soccer player). > >"The lifestyle is amazing. Nice house, expensive cars. Wherever > footballers go they are recognised and > >have people looking up to them. They know they can be with anyone - it's > a privilege when they pick you." > > Marie > > > > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 19:24:12 -0500 > > From: carolmoor...@verizon.net > > To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] press coverage of Gamergate arbcom case > > > > On 1/25/2015 6:17 PM, Nathan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the lesson it sends is that a righteous cause is not a defense > > > against accusations of disruption, nor a license to violate other > > > policies. I'm sure that among the restricted people are those with > > > positions I'd support along with many others, but that doesn't put > > > their behavior above reproach. Tony Sidaway was hardly the paragon of > > > a calm and thoughtful administrator - insightful as he often was, > > > there was a reason he was fired as a clerk and barred from simply > > > requesting his bit back. > > The problem being that ArbCom is so political that most members see > > editors they dislike/disagree with on issues/content as disruptive even > > if their disruption is minor compared to that of the editors they feel > > more sympatico with. And of course if the "community" (i.e., gangs of > > editors who are allies) decide to target someone it's just easier > > politically to sanction those persons than not. And if they have a lot > > of supporters it is safer NOT to sanction them. > > > > This issue was very clear in GGTF arbitration where a few people were > > targeted by most posters, over and over for the same issues, at least > > til the end when an Arbitrator added a couple more needing sanctions. > > It's less clear in Gamergate because there are more participants being > > targeted by many more participants on many different issues. > > > > CM > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, > including unsubscribing, please visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >
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