Max, Hmm, interesting proposal! I am not sure whether it can be very useful as it reads now. I have thought a lot about this and have looked at the concept "painter" pretty carefully. Yes there is a gendergap in the data as it is generated on a daily basis, but no, I am not convinced this is related to the Wikipedia gendergap in the sense of "you need women to write biographies of women". In fact, some of the most thoughtful biographies of women are written by men and you could maybe say that our biographies of men may improve if we get more women on board editing. There is however, a tipping point when it comes to writing about women on Wikipedia. In my work on female stub creation I have seen lots of examples where the stub existed and was deleted due to notability concerns. Lots of experienced editors (myself included) will only bother to write an article, even if it's just a stub, when the likelihood of having the article stick is judged to be at some mysterious level. I think we need some policy guidelines and some stats about how many articles about women were previously deleted. This may help us determine what the "academic bias barrier" is in accumulating female biographies in general.
When I think of what I would like in terms of "Wikipedia Gender Index Tools", I would like to see, per country of birth or per occupation or per external database, how the percentage of female vs male is across language Wikipedias. Already I am finding that the Swedish Wikipedia has the highest percentage of female vs male across the board in any arts field, followed by the Russian Wikipedia. The English Wikipedia is somewhere in the middle and the Italians are the biggest loser (but maybe also with the longest history of art historical terms that are documented, which could lead to a higher percentage of men across the arts born before 1800, but perhaps higher after 1850 - who knows?). Once you start drilling down into the data you find all sorts of really weird conundrums! Jane On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Maximilian Klein <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Jane, great investigation. > > I like this idea of looking at the gender gap by-profession, and seeing if > it is closing at any rate by sampling it over time. In fact, I put in a > project for the "inspire campaign" to automate recording these statistics > over time for all professions. It'd be great to have your endorsement, and > if the project is funded we can compare how painters fair against other > professions. > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/WIGI:_Wikipedia_Gender_Index_Tools#Endorsements > > Make a great day, > Max Klein ‽ http://notconfusing.com/ > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:51 AM, Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, I have been checking how we are doing on closing the >> gendergap on biographies of women artists for a while. Part of the problem >> is collecting the data, and Wikidata is a great help. Unfortunately there >> are still lots of women artists with Wikidata items without any statements >> at all, but since this is also true for male artists, looking at the stats >> is useful. What I did was to collect data for all female artists and all >> male artist and came up with percentages for painters versus various >> matched data bases in Mix-n-Match. >> >> Thanks to our push on Art & Feminism, the score is better (12.5%) on >> Wikimedia projects than for the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography >> (10.1%). The ODNB is currently the only database that is completely >> matched. The other databases are still being matched, but still, it's >> interesting to see how we currently stand with those. Here are the scores: >> >> Wikidata painters - 12.5%: 45016 male, 6430 female >> RKD - 11.4%: 21809 male, 2795 female >> United List of Artist Names - 8.6%: 32993 male, 3091 female >> BBC Your Paintings - 7.7%: 6535 male, 545 female >> Oxford Dictionary of National Biography - 10.1%: 49419 male, 5581 female >> >> http://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/ >> >> These stats were gathered this morning using Autolist: >> http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> [email protected] >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >
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