Oh right! It's funny how you re-interpret my email because of the info in it. As I do yours. Of course I think I have only overwritten my own images and probably rarely if ever overwrite the images of others. My images are often cropped by others, because I do lots of printed pages from books as well (forgot about those). Generally they get cropped and re-uploaded, but sometimes also overwritten. For example this one should probably have been re-uploaded separately rather than overwritten: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Roelant_Savery_-_het_gulden_cabinet.png
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Fæ <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Jane (limiting reply to gendergap list), > > From the normal wiki database, I don't think that the date when a user > changed a user preference can be found on the database, it just gives > you the public preferences as set at the time of running a query. It's > an interesting issue, for example if we had a community drive for > women to declare their gender in project preferences, the outcome > might be for people to believe that the proportion of numbers of women > on the project were increasing, when in reality it was just old > accounts tweaking their settings... > > (This is a slight tangent, but something other than statistics might > come out of thinking about your case) With regard to your own account, > you have had files overwritten 5 times in the last 360 days but not > overwritten anyone else yourself, all of these by accounts with no > gender set. Looking over all time instead gives: > female-female 1 > female-male 2 > female-none 18 > male-female 35 > none-female 74 > > Obviously apart from the "f-f" case you can see whether you were > overwriting or being overwritten. In the "f-f" case you were > overwritten. 24 cases were the same declared male overwriting your > images and in 30 cases the same account with no gender set (but an > apparent male based on public information on their user home pages) > overwrote you. Most other overwrites were one-off single incidents. > > Please keep in mind that overwriting is normal and can be corrections, > crops etc. as part of general healthy and productive collegiate work. > Only a small proportion of the time is it part of a dispute on > Commons. > > Fae > > On 14 August 2015 at 09:11, Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Interesting idea to measure this, but I am not sure what it means. I am > a female who has overwritten many files. When I first joined up I don't > think I filled in female until Sarah asked me to years later. Am I one of > the 479? > > > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 2:42 AM, Fæ <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Sorry for cross-posting. There may be some readers of this list that > may not bother to follow the busier wikimedia-l one. :-) > >> > >> I'd appreciate any thoughts and analysis, especially if there are other > reports that might give an insight into whether the number mean much or not > a lot... > >> > >> ---- > >> > >> I have pulled together the following table together for the past 360 > days, counting whenever an image was reverted by someone who was not the > last uploader, and then attempting to find any declared gender: > >> > >> 2014-2015 Commons file overwrite stats compared to gender > >> > >> +---------------+----------+ > >> | sex | count(*) | > >> +---------------+----------+ > >> | female-female | 1 | > >> | female-male | 110 | > >> | female-none | 426 | > >> | male-female | 139 | > >> | male-male | 1376 | > >> | male-none | 5711 | > >> | none-female | 479 | > >> | none-male | 5289 | > >> | none-none | 15716 | > >> +---------------+----------+ > >> > >> Key: "none" means not set in user preferences, "female-male" means a > woman has overwritten a man's file and "male-none" means a declared male > has overwritten an account with no gender set. > >> > >> I'd appreciate any views on whether there is any statistical meaning to > be pulled from these figures, apart from showing that men probably > outnumber women contributors by ten times on Commons. > >> > >> If the email is displaying badly, you can find a wiki formatted table > and original generating SQL on the Commons village pump[1]. I thought this > would be of wider interest as though "image revert warring" is mostly an > issue for Wikimedia Commons, it is a very similar area of heated disputes > when compared to edit revert warring on Wikipedia projects. The question > popped up from someone interested in my long running 'significant reverts' > tracking report.[2] > >> > >> Links: > >> 1. > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Does_openly_declaring_your_gender_change_the_probability_of_having_an_upload_overwritten.3F > >> 2. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae/SignificantReverts > >> > >> Fae > >> -- > >> [email protected] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gendergap mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, > please visit: > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > -- > [email protected] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > [email protected] > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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