Or are aimed at women or minorities not providing the requisite perks to
the shooter.

Coffee Ogress
*gyllyn!*

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 6:07 AM, Bryce Peake <[email protected]> wrote:

> "The fact that this man killed both a male and a female former colleague
> strongly indicate that his problem was not gender-driven, that it was
> driven by the fact that these former colleagues had complained about him in
> the past."
>
> Why do we always assume that gender is only a motivation in terms of
> victim selection? Shooters' misogyny/masculinity (no, they're not always
> the same thing), has been central in every one of these manifestos over the
> past decade (or two) regardless of whether the direct object of rage is
> transgendered, man, or woman. And yes, race, class and sexuality all 
> *intersect
> *with this sense of masculinity, and we need to be taking all three of
> these concepts together in thinking about these issues.
>
> Where I think this does connect to Wikipedia is in this weird debate that
> always pops up about suicide mass shootings being somehow gender neutral...
> despite the fact that the very very vast majority of these types of public
> suicide mass shootings are perpetrated by men, and the manifestos mostly
> about their sense of being or not being a man.
>
> bryce
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 8:08 AM, JJ Marr <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Yes, exactly. It's probably much more likely to be race driven than
>> gender driven, if you look at the reasons for his firing.
>> I spent most of yesterday NOT looking at the news, making my husband turn
>> off the TV when the news came on, and not logging in to any online
>> experience where I was likely to run into video related to this.  It is
>> what I do, as a matter of course, to make it through the day without
>> triggering the memories of terror I experienced as a result of being
>> involved in a very violent episode in the past.
>>
>> This has nothing to do with Wikipedia, Wikimedia or the WMF.  The fact
>> that this man killed both a male and a female former colleague strongly
>> indicate that his problem was not gender-driven, that it was driven by the
>> fact that these former colleagues had complained about him in the past.
>> That people with this sort of sociopathy use gender-specific descriptive
>> nouns is pretty much irrelevant, and I'm hard-pressed to understand why you
>> think it important to start a conversation about the utterings of someone
>> this mentally imbalanced to show that there is a gender gap *anywhere*, let
>> alone here. This guy was a powder keg, and he was striking out at anyone
>> whom he believed had caused him harm. I do not believe that his actions
>> were motivated by sexism.
>>
>> Risker/Anne
>>
>> On 27 August 2015 at 03:01, Neotarf <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any doubt what this kind of language is for?
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIdrUHKkG6Y
>>> It's not for a collaborative environment, that's for sure.
>>>
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