I have a simple question to ask: How many people in this thread have publicly or privately requested to the Wikimedia Foundation ED that additional resources be assigned to trust and safety issues such as death threats?
There was an annual plan posted for about three days of community comment back in May/June. Did anyone in this thread say "wait a minute, we think you have your priorities wrong here"? I'm a little stunned that several people including those with years of activism under their belts would think that complaining on a mailing list that is at most hosted by the WMF (and certainly not controlled by it or monitored by it) would result in changes. The English Wikipedia community can't tell WMF staffers what to do: we're not their employers, we don't set their objectives or their job descriptions, and so on. The lack of additional resources comes right from the top here. If you want it, you need to be telling the Board, you need to be telling the ED, and you need to be telling the Senior Director of Community Engagement, Luis Villa. This list isn't gonna do it. Posting on Wikipediocracy is the equivalent of throwing coins in a well. Focus your attention on the people who have control of the money and persuade them this is something more important than...I don't know, whether notifications are flagged using one tag or two... Risker/Anne On 26 September 2015 at 16:29, J Hayes <slowki...@gmail.com> wrote: > rupert, > i and carol have a somewhat different experience with the police. it is > unclear if i would trust them to keep identity confidential. WMF should act > regardless of legal status. this merry go round of not providing clear > lines of responsibility and action (other than round file) is part of the > systemic problem. > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:07 PM, rupert THURNER <rupert.thur...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> risker you are joking? a death threat is a case for the police not for >> the wikimedia foundation. wikimedia foundation is not a para-military or >> para-police organization replacing standard legal systems, the wikimedia >> community is also not a community outside other legal systems, with special >> rules applying. the police has the means to deal with it professionally. >> >> carol, if you get a death threat, why are you afraid of the police? you >> pay taxes and at the end of the day you are paying their salary, and are >> usually very welcoming? >> >> rupert >> >> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The WMF may or may not help editors who are receiving death threats via >>> their email systems - I'd venture to guess that in the majority of cases >>> they're handled by admins or CUs or arbitrators by the expedient of >>> blocking the accounts with email turned off. If you're saying you really >>> don't want police involved, then I don't know what you'd expect the WMF to >>> do over and above blocking the same accounts and the same IPs that can (and >>> often are) blocked by volunteers. >>> >>> I do not suggest that harassment via email (up to and including serious >>> death threats) is a minor matter, but that the "emerge...@wikimedia.org" >>> is for threats of harm to self or others that are published onwiki where >>> there is concern that police or other authorities should be informed >>> because there is an imminent risk of harm. Keep in mind that that email >>> address is staffed by a grand total of six people (the Community Advocacy >>> team) to cover the entire world. >>> >>> Risker/Anne >>> >>> >>> On 26 September 2015 at 13:59, Carol Moore dc <carolmoor...@verizon.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I was referring to threats to kill someone that clearly come from a >>>> known Wikipedia handle or editor, or, as in my case, a person who is known >>>> because it's the same kind of message they have been known to send to >>>> various others many times before. >>>> >>>> In my case threats were sent through Wikimedia Foundation email and >>>> evidently that's what this person - and perhaps others - enjoys doing. At >>>> the very least advice to contact the Foundation also should cover such >>>> abuses. (Obviously if it's an anonymous person through another email >>>> system, it's a different issue. Though I believe the Foundation was happy >>>> to help Sitush when he was getting those kind of messages.) >>>> >>>> As an activist I'm reluctant to deal with authorities unless it is VERY >>>> real and imminent. Those who want to report it would assume their only >>>> recourse is to go straight to the police who then will be the ones going to >>>> the Foundation to sort it out. >>>> >>>> That is the specific issue I was addressing and the person who does >>>> that evidently is back to doing it, so perhaps others are doing it too and >>>> women are just quitting Wikipedia without telling anyone why. >>>> >>>> >>>> I wrote: >>>> >>>> On 9/26/2015 12:27 PM, Risker wrote: >>>> >>>>> Neotarf is correct, it is the guideline to address suicide threats and >>>>> similar threats of serious harm to self or others (e.g., "I'm going to >>>>> go shoot up my school") - in other words, that guideline is intended >>>>> to >>>>> capture situations where there is a reason to contact police or similar >>>>> authorities because of an imminent threat to safety. The person adding >>>>> the link probably did not really read through the point of the page. >>>>> Speaking personally, I'd be pretty offended if I complained that >>>>> someone >>>>> was harassing me and was linked to a page about reporting suicide >>>>> threats. Note that one of the shortcuts is [[WP:SUICIDE]]. >>>>> >>>>> I have removed that as a "Main article" because it's not really about >>>>> harassment. >>>>> >>>>> Risker/Anne >>>>> >>>>> On 26 September 2015 at 11:52, Neotarf <neot...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:neot...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> @Carol Moore, I believe that link is about suicide threats. Did >>>>> you >>>>> mean to link to something else? >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Carol Moore dc >>>>> <carolmoor...@verizon.net <mailto:carolmoor...@verizon.net>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Because of an offline discussion about the 1000 odd death >>>>> threats I got directly through the Wikimedia Foundation email >>>>> system and my failure to remember personally contacting them >>>>> (as >>>>> opposed to admins) about it, I decided to see if the Harassment >>>>> article mentioned that option. >>>>> >>>>> I did a little research and found it was not til July 22, 2015 >>>>> that the harassment article section on "threats" provided a >>>>> link >>>>> to the WP:Essay that specifically advises this! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Harassment&diff=672630056&oldid=672391122 >>>>> >>>>> Now why can't the threats section include that info? Certain >>>>> some well-connected editors have learned how to work that angle >>>>> with the foundation for even minor issues... >>>>> >>>>> There's a huge section on what to do about threats of legal >>>>> action, but zilch on death threats. Pretty absurd... Safe >>>>> space, NOT!!* >>>>> >>>>> Thanks... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> CM >>>>> >>>>> *Of course, there's a difference between legitimate safe space >>>>> from actual direct insults or threats of harm and the absurd >>>>> degree of hypersensitivity now a days where there are trigger >>>>> warnings on any opinion that someone might disagree with and >>>>> protests against opinions that just aren't politically correct >>>>> enough... but don't get me started... >>>>> >>>>> A lot of articles about it lately have exposed the absurdities >>>>> and hypocrisy of some individuals and groups. And I can >>>>> understand the fear of some male wikipedians they will be >>>>> exposed to the most extreme varieties. It also gives the most >>>>> oppressive guys an excuse to label minor and legitimate demands >>>>> for safe space as "extremist." ("You extremist, you want to >>>>> mention contacting the Foundation on the Harassment page!!!") >>>>> >>>>> Glad I'm not in college! Or any "progressive" political groups >>>>> any more. Especially now that I am finally free of having to >>>>> be >>>>> a "good girl" on Wikipedia and can engage in anti-establishment >>>>> mockery and sarcasm in my writings/artistic endeavors without >>>>> worrying about wikistalkers slamming me all over Wikipedia ;-) >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto: >>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> >>>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including >>>>> unsubscribing, please visit: >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto: >>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> >>>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >
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