On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 1:33 AM, Moriel Schottlender <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 3:21 PM, WereSpielChequers > <[email protected]> wrote: >> I'm not a member of the Lynux community, though I'm a very grateful user >> of their software. But I don't read that blogpost as saying that "She didn't >> try to change Linus Torvalds. She left". >> >> I read her words, and especially "I’m posting this because I feel sad >> every time someone thanks me for standing up for better community norms, >> because I have essentially given up trying to change the Linux kernel >> community. Cultural change is a slow, painful process, and I no longer have >> the mental energy to be an active part of that cultural change in the >> kernel." >> >> Those are the words of someone who has tried and tried again before >> deciding to leave. >> > > Yes. > > She didn't try to change Linus, she tried to change the community. There's a > difference. A person can be whoever they want to be, but in the context of > the community, there could be basic rules of thumb that guides what the > community feels should be basic decency.
moriel, i do not agree to the abstraction you introduce here. a community consists of persons afaik. it is a person which feels, not a community. if there is a rule for the community its purpose is to apply to a person part of the community. sarah sharp tried to make a rule "do not curse or go away". as linus torvalds curses from time to time it is not rocket science to understand that rule as: (1) linus please change and do not curse, or (2) linus please leave the community if you cannot stop cursing. >>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 12:44 PM, rupert THURNER >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> to let wikipedia NPOV also have a word, here what linus torvalds >>>> thought about it two years ago: >>>> http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=137392506516022&w=2 >>>> in a summary, torvalds argues that sarah sharp should accept that >>>> people are different and act different, she should not try to change >>>> linus torvalds. >>> >>>> > On Oct 7, 2015 6:44 AM, "Jason Radford" <[email protected]> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> I think folks here will understand this story. >>>> >> >>>> >> http://sarah.thesharps.us/2015/10/05/closing-a-door/ _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list [email protected] To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
